Community Toxicity needs to be dealt with

Hey you can’t do that. Only the bad players get to have a sob story. It’s impossible that good players who want an efficient run also have lives and value their own time.

its not just wrong it’s illegal - in canada anyways.

In Canada, it is against the criminal law for anyone to…

    • Show a picture of someone else, who is privately doing a sexual act, is naked or exposing an intimate body part, without that person’s permission.
    • Threaten to show intimate images of someone else to force them to do or not do something. This is called extortion.
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Thing is, despite my spotty forum reputation, I’m a nice guy and I try hard to accommodate anyone I can. I’d have been perfectly happy with him as my 3rd melee as Survival even knowing the limitations of the class. Played right they delay or outright kill a flag carrier in WSG or TP and they sit a base pretty well.

But I’ve had to tell even some of my close friends with whom I play regularly that when I’m putting the group together I need to be left alone so I can concentrate on the mental screening checklist I have and not miss anything important.

This guy, though. I wanted to say, "Learn to take ‘yes’ for an answer, but I just didn’t have the capacity to do my job as lead and deal with this guy at the same time.

That’s not even the worst encounter I had this week.

I was struggling early on - I’d gotten a bit burned out on running my own groups and was trying to get my rating up in other people’s and it was not going well. I think I’d dropped all the way back down into the 1100s at one point - loss after loss after loss to stupid stuff.

Things like the group organizer quitting 30 seconds after we’ve committed to the BG - no notice, not even actually leaving. Just going afk for the first 2 minutes and then announcing he “wasn’t feelin’ it” and then not responding.

Had a Gilneas where 2 of the 3 healers, both priests, failed to queue as healers and were stuck in Shadow, and neither of them had a clue how to play Shadow - not my group or I’d have tried to catch it before we committed.

It was pretty much lather, rinse, repeat on that - at one point I had nine straight losses only one of which was us just getting the crap beat out of us. That was in Arathi Basin by a team that was (I’m not kidding, I have a screenshot) a holy priest and nine druids. The rest all had early quitters, folks who never moved from the starting area, or were essentially in low-to-middle level covenant gear instead of PVP gear.

So I went back to running my own groups and got my rating back up.

I just don’t like the drama of running groups is all because the community seems to be made up almost entirely of people who think I’m here to gear them, carry them, or build my team around their oddball class/spec/build choices.

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Look I’m not above trading hoof pics for a good drop.

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In my opinion one person failing at mechanics should makes things harder but not instantly kill other players. It’s a very lax attitude and completely opposite from Dark souls game play, but I like that style of play better. I have other things I do that are difficult I just play games for fun and easy going times.

You put the tip of your tail in that picture and you and me might just come to an understanding

Well, you’re entitled to your opinion :smiley:
In my opinion, at higher difficulties, this isn’t an issue. Do the mechanics right, you’ll be alright. Do them wrong, you die or wipe the group entirely.

So, do the mechanics right if you want to participate in the hard content

Isn’t that his point? One person fails and the whole group wipes?

Yes. In his opinion it’s an issue. In mine, it’s not.

When you get into higher difficulties, mechanics matter more and more. I don’t find any fundamental issue with this concept

I’ve had people ask for foot pics before and I have this one of my own (I’m a 60-year-old fat white dude) where I went to a pedicure place the day before my cancer surgery and, in an effort to be all multicultural and stuff, attempted to ask for “the four star treatment” (that was a menu choice) in google-fu-Vietnamese.

I fell asleep in the chair - it was sooooooo relaxing with that heat and massage thing - and woke up with ten toenails painted in gold-glitter nail polish.

https://imgur.com/a/0hwQnKH

It’s perfectly safe, nothing bad there at all.

I don’t think I got that translation quite right.

Anyway, if someone asks, that’s the pic I send.

But that was you I was quoting, not him.

People get pissed off all the time, toxicity is normal in competitive games. In m+ you compete with time.
Your list of reasons is unnecessary too long, you can sum up as “people want to get things done as fast as possible”.

How to deal with toxicity? You can’t. Even FF14 is toxic if you pug raid on Savage mode.
It’s just normal.

Tho, I agree that new player experience is horrible.
Maybe, add some practicing solo Q for m+ +0-+9.

So you agree with me. Good.

It’s bit too simple to narrow down to just mythic plus. I would say the anger stems from several factors:

  1. The developers ruin systems on purpose so they can fix it as additional patches at the end of an expansion
  2. The faction balance has not improved or mended
  3. Fan requests and quality of life changes are withheld on purpose
  4. The developers have a very inprofessional attitude which damaged the game’s perception. This also includes the cube crawls and sexual harassments
  5. The developers avoid sensitive topics, disallow free speech during live interviews and do not speak genuinely
  6. Money before Fun
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Agreed tanking M+ really sucks. Blizz can leave M+ the exact same and just makes tanking face roll. I’d be ok with that. Then new players can just take hits to the face till they learn how to play. Or stay in the “easy” tanking roll.

lol anyone who includes loot and class balance as ‘toxic’ needs to be ignored.

the game wasn’t any more or less toxic than when I started and new players could learn fine - in fact the game is better designed for them doing that now than it was then with the minimal levels of difficulties.

also, those are the exact same people who cause the toxicity in the pug environment. The ones who don’t want to make friends or join guilds.

Yes it does, i use to be on another server and it was really bad on the trade/general chat. I had players threaten me or even saying really bad things like, rape my girl, etc.

So idk if they are doing anything about it, use to be pretty good back then when the game came out and now no one want the job to keep civil as possible.

If they made tanking very easy then ques would be faster, and less risk would make people less hatful. The game needs one easy thing to do so people who are great people but bad players can feel useful and have a great time with everyone else. We have all know some of those people. They always make food and tables for the whole raid, they farm all the mats for the whole cauldron. They always show up and never complain but they just are really bad at hitting the keys. Blizz could cut out a spot for them. Maybe make a new class/spec of support that just buffs the whole group and takes very little damage IDK. But playing with great people who are not good players would be very nice if Blizz could throw them a bone.

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there is no player culture in this game

All I gathered from this ridiculous thread is that the OP’s favorite word is “toxic” and that they require a babysitter while they play the game.

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