You do know the people in the thread are the people on twitter right? You may not be one of them, but they are there.
I do not have a Twitter account, so I replied to them there.
You’re acting like the people on Twitter aren’t on the forums. They most certainly are. (And I can’t give specific names because that’s “calling them out” as I was warned last night)
I’ve never accused YOU of doing anything.
And again, this is just a case of you find something offensive that I do not. I appreciate you trying to explain why you think it’s offensive, but I just do not think it’s offensive. I tried to explain why I don’t think it’s offensive, and you disagree.
That is fine. We are allowed different thoughts on matters.
This is no different than if they made Flynn suddenly have all manner of gay stereotypes and I said it was offensive and you said it wasn’t because we didn’t know much about Flynn to begin with. (I don’t mean you’d actually say that, just an example)
People are allowed different opinions.
You act like because I’m a CC member, suddenly my thoughts in non-CC forums are more important or something. They aren’t. My thoughts are no more important than anyone else, and I’ve made a point to not post anything regarding race, gender, sexuality, etc. or such in the CC forum specifically because I KNOW people have different thoughts.
I listen to everyone. However, listening does not mean I have to agree.
You are welcome to think the book and the characters within are offensive. I’m not saying you can’t find them offensive.
All I said is I do not find them offensive.
At what point did I say you aren’t allowed to? I said I think it’s silly if you think Zekhan not being able to read is a racist thing, but you are still welcome to think that.
I am not trying to diminish your opinion. I am simply voicing my own. I respect everyone when I can, as I’ve said in another thread. Unless you lose my respect, like those twitter people, you will ALWAYS have it. If my posts came off as dismissive, I apologize, that’s not intentional.
However, you have to understand that twitter group has me on high alert because they’re saying my thoughts make me racist, misogynistic, etc. When they don’t.
It’d be one thing if I was posting my opinion about this in the Community Council Forum. But I’m not. I’m posting them in discussion threads about the topics. Just like you posted your opinion, I posted mine.
But because I’m on the CC, you guys act like I’m not entitled to an opinion if it’s not the same as yours.
Yes, but I want to make sure they understand I’m not in any way trying to diminish their opinion, just voicing my own. Because their subsequent replies make it seem like they think I’m saying they aren’t allowed their thoughts.
EDIT: I think a big part of this is a misunderstanding, which is why I replied specifically to Lannisterian and Alynsa.
I have an off topicish question. I dont know whats going on here, but since i see a CC memeber, i wanna take my shot. You guys, were elected to speak for the players. What about exactly? for the game? what they do inside blizzard? or is it just about random things… I feel like in the CC forums, there is hardly any game discussion, and more just trying to talk over each other about random stuff going on in the world, not to do about the game… Like… i dont understand why things are buffed, and nerfed… i see post after post about blizzard not changing the correct things… Do you guys Explain it to them… or… We have a Cultral council where i work. We voice things from other employees to management to solve problems or issues. So if you infact communicate to blizzard about changes players are asking for… where do you tell us, about what thoughts they have…? If you arnt able to do so because they dont give feedback, or you guys cant tell us what they tell you… This whole “Community” Council shouldnt even exist… im so fustrated what they did to ele… Not one word from you, or blizzard… Literally… I could jump off a bridge, and i wouldnt even be remembered. Nor would anything happen about it. Why did you join CC if you didnt plan on actually being apart of the community… Sorrry, bad typos around…
I don’t agree with you on like anything about this, but I’m glad at the very least you care what people think. Compared to other CC members you actually respond outside of the CC subforum, the only other one that does that often is the one that was originally an MVP. It’s good to have someone on here that openly expresses that they care what the rest of the community thinks.
However, I still think you’re dead wrong on the topic but I’m aware you aren’t gonna change your stance so there’s no point in arguing.
If you look, most posts are cc members talking to each other with no blizzard feedback. So… they cant change the game. They cant help the community buy a new couch for the breakroom, or paint the walls to this dark room. Where is the actual thought and welp we need
And yet, you claimed the threat was made in thew forum thread. Again, you can stop spinning this. I’m not going to fall for it.
And if that was all it was, hey, fine! I had given you the benefit of the doubt that it was as simple as that.
But you also made the claim that those of us seeing it are the real racists, because acknowledging any intentional connection between WoW races and IRL peoples was the actual racism.
And that was what I wanted to get clarification on.
Well. Add on the fact I’d also have to say “and if you see that as gay stereotypes, then you’re the real homophobic”.
Because it was that type of logic that got all of this started.
No sweetie. Believe me, I would call out spin doctoring regardless of the color of your text. I would call out people accusing me of racism for seeing a questionable depiction regardless of their text color.
All I initially wanted was clarification on what you actually meant. To maybe defuse the initial situation. Whenever I see people jumping on anyone (again, regardless of text color), I assume it’s a misunderstanding and try to find a path to clarity. It works pretty well and pretty often.
But then came the baseless accusations. Then came claims regarding a discord that were proven false with screen shots. Then came brigade reports for certain posts and further accusations that looked rather bad.
And of course, spin doctoring.
Your status as a CC member isn’t relevant top any of that.
Like I said, people are allowed different opinions. I understand why you guys think it’s offensive. I just don’t think it’s offensive myself. Just how life works. Again, to re-iterate, I do UNDERSTAND why you find it offensive. I just personally don’t think it is.
For instance, as I’ve said before, I’m half Native American. I have friends I grew up with that find Thanksgiving horribly offensive. I completely understand why they do, but for me, it’s not offensive cause my Native dad chose to raise me with the thought Thanksgiving is about family togetherness. I didn’t learn about the history of it until much later. And by then, Thanksgiving was an important family holiday for me. But I would never tell my friends that they can’t be offended by it. Because they are more than allowed to be, and I would never force my thoughts on them. I specifically avoid saying Happy Thanksgiving to them for instance.
There have been things in the past in WoW that I found offensive, but others didn’t. I mentioned them on the forums, had people tell me it wasn’t offensive, and eventually I just understood that people will have different opinions, and trying to force your thoughts on someone is going to go nowhere. It’s better to just understand people are different, and that’s what makes us unique.
Technically we were chosen to give our personal thoughts on aspects of the game. To give Blizzard a more targeted response for the varying types of players. Like, I’m a casual player content wise, but I play a lot. I’m also active on the forums and other communities such as warcraftpets and petopia.
…can you give an example? I’ve only ever seen game related stuff there. If you’re referring to my real life comments like Power Rangers in the Pink thread, that was just to pre-rebut people who bring up other franchises who keep pink for women.
The sterotype you keep talking about hasn’t been a thing for decades. Not only that, the countries in question have had high literacy rates for probably as long as I have been around. Constantly bringing up a sterotype, that by all accounts, doesn’t even exist anymore, is injecting a form of racism into a culture that no longer recognizes it as such.
You are literally using black people as a way to push a narrative that doesn’t even exist lol.
you say you’re part of “community” council but blizzard has elected you to give your personal thoughts instead of also collecting the community feedback as a representative
this is why the community council is bad not your fault but the concept is flawed
Honestly, my biggest problem with this is when the majority of CC seems to agree with something that the rest of us non-CC people don’t. I worry this will causes changes to be made to the game that the majority of the player base doesn’t want.
Like if CC people all decide master loot is a good idea when the majority of us don’t like master loot.
I understand why you guys think it’s offensive. I just don’t think it’s offensive myself. Just how life works. Again, to re-iterate, I do UNDERSTAND why you find it offensive. I just personally don’t think it is.