That’s why you don’t perma them you penalty volcano them but not a slap on the wrist. Start with a week go to a month then 2 months and so on. If you perma an account it’s gone but if someone just has to wait for a few weeks to get back their sunk time there can be actual change.
You’re the one misrepresenting things. Blizzard said they’d consider you guilty of RMT if you constantly receive RMT’d gold. GDKP in and of itself is not against ToS, until p2 drops for SoD, and then only for SoD.
Further discussion around the topic ensued to the general notion that one would most likely have to be routinely receiving bought gold to get clapped.
You keep on using the word laundering as if it has any place in WoW - it simply does not, as evidenced by Blizzard being able to track gold once it leaves buyers’ bags. You aren’t hiding the fact that it’s dirty.
Separating GDKP and RMT is far from asinine, as GDKPs would most definitely be run if RMT didn’t exist because they provide a handful of benefits to the players. GDKPs could absolutely have a place if Blizzard policed RMT better, but that would require actually paying employees, and that’s a non-starter these days.
Again, you’re asserting that everyone who does GDKPs MUST have purchased gold, when this is flatly false, while previously mentioning innocent players, so you know it’s false.
If you want to get rid of GDKPs, fix the loot system. Use tokens/badges. Provide a gold reward for downing bosses. Give geared players a reason to keep running content alongside fresher players, give pugs a reason to stay motivated throughout the run. Do these things and GDKP has no reason to exist. Other games have figured this out just fine.
Sorry but it is that simple, they claim they have the tech to deal with all of this but have yet to. There is no harm in simply banning all of the gold sellers in perpetuaty, you don’t even need to initially touch the buyers because if there are no seller than the buyers go away by proxy.
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If bots and rmt didn’t exist you would see gdkps maxing out at like 50 gold, not 50 gold after everyone takes their cut, with people bidding hundreds for one item. And all that GDKP gold ends up messing with the AH way more than if you didn’t have GDKPs
100 different people spending 500 gold each is going to have a far bigger impact on the economy as a whole than 10 with 5000.
They’re taking a shotgun approach to swat a fly.
Banning an entire loot system just because they can’t effectively target actual RMT is gross over kill.
I understand you’re copy/pasting directly from the Phat Cat GDKP discord their talking points/arguing points.
What you’re not understanding is: The community et large, including the company, acknowledges that these things are being done underhandedly/shadily, and your opinion does not matter.
Edit: You’ve spent the better part of 35 consecutive hours spam-posting about GDKP and how you think it should be here forever because you’re a swiper “totally legit player” and earn rmt’d gold ‘totally legit gold’ to “buy consumables with”.
Consider taking a break. I’m taking a break from you, at very least. Mashin’ that “Forever” button.
I forgot how hilarious the classic forums are no it’s not at all it’s common practice in basically every mmo. Very few MMOs will go after buyers because people who buy gold tend to actively play the game.
No banning gdkps doesn’t go after gold buyers because a lot of gdkps legit just end up a cycle of gold with people gearing an alt then cycling to a main getting gold and repeating. The gold basically becomes a self contained loop. Most gold buyers will buy a full clear with a set cost where there is no risk of competition. Sure some will join gdkps but the risk element of not getting their gear vs guarenteed if it drops pushes away most rmters. The majority of people I have done gdkps with over 15 plus years the buyers are alts of the main group and it just cycles the gold through. Outside gold is injected via selling boosts which is largely guild only now.
I don’t think this is fair. Companies large, small, gaming and not, have issues policing consumer behavior on the internet. The entire reason Section 230 exists in U.S. Law is because it’s considered unworkable to hold the site accountable for moderating everyone who creates an account for said site.
The cost to snuff this out for good and in full is likely prohibitively expensive both in terms of money and manpower.
My point is that if bots and RMT didn’t exist, GDKPs would still be popular (assuming they’re allowed) because they offer a lot of incentives that non-GDKPs don’t. Mostly that you’re guaranteed a reward of some kind, but also keeping players motivated throughout a run and giving geared players an actual mechanical/system reason to continue running content, rather than relying entirely on a social one.
I don’t know what you are referencing, what I have stated is simple for anyone willing to actually look at the facts instead of responding with ignorant emotion.
didn’t ask lol
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I believe that you believe what you have written is true.
If bots and rmt didn’t exist GDKPs wouldn’t be an issue.
Everyone I know keeps running despite being fully geared cuz they want to get better at their class and get better parses. But people here whine about logs as well 
More likely to be true than the whinging of someone who supposedly never participated in the activity in question 
If you watch the presentation they delivered yesterday about Phase 2, you will hear them discuss new AI software that they have been testing which is supposedly very effective against botters, gold sellers, and gold buyers which they plan on using more broadly in phase 2.
My suspicion is that in the past there were technical difficulties in combating RMT, IN ADDITION TO cultural hurdles to fighting RMT.
The fact that Mike Ybarra, the president of Blizzard was very open about selling guild carries was, I suspect, a HUGE part of those difficulties.
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Didn’t reply to you unless of course you are the alt of the oh so intellugunt paladin
That’s fair, to a point. Blizzard could be doing a lot more than they currently are for the cost of a handful of salaries. I didn’t mean to imply they could remove RMT or botting altogether with extra hands, but rather they could make a pretty ferocious dent in it.
Granted, this is on the assumption that bots are somewhat simple with predictable pathing. A post from Glinda at least partially explains why Blizzard isn’t more draconian about banning gold buyers, in that they wind up doing far worse for the game.
I do wish Blizzard was more transparent on their internal discussions about these things, which they could do without revealing mechanisms of detection and action.
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I can appreciate the experimental approach, though I’d have preferred to see trying one at a time, rather than both simultaneously.
Agreed, none of what I wrote absolves Blizzard or any other company of the responsibility to police it best they can and dedicate adequate resources to doing so.