The idea that anyone would describe tavern roleplayers as “conflict adverse” is so funny to me.
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I don’t know what my point is in saying this exactly… but that sucks 
I’m sorry to hear it.
Personally I’m not super interested in playing Vulpera. But like. I like them as Horde allies - they’re cool. It sucks that the “Omg {New Race} is ruining the Horde!” crowd are still ruining it for people.
Blood Elves, Pandaren, Nightborne, Vulpera… whatever! You’re all welcome in the Horde in my opinion. Stuff the people who think otherwise haha.
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I don’t understand the hate towards Vulpera, there’s literally like no in game story reason to hate them? Like, seriously? Has there been something in the game with a vulpera slighting someone from theHorde for some reason?
Pandaren and Zandalari have more reasons to be at odds with each other. Zandalari and other troll tribes have more reasons to dislike each other?? Taurens and other shamanistic characters could have reasons to dislike goblins. Yet I can’t think of any single reason why anyone would have an IC hatred for desert scavengers that actually helped the Horde and Zandalari quite a bit during the BfA conflict??
I know I’ve seen a few accounts of Vulpera RPers doing gross or cringe things but basically every race has someone or some group that act out and do gross cringe things so idk why Vulpera are the exception to it.
I don’t really RP Horde side these days but it’s unfortunate that is a thing at all.
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tbh I think it doesn’t need to be that complicated. It started when cenarius saw demon-blooded Orcs chopping trees, demons took advantage of perfectly understandable night elf and demigod hostility, and it just keeps cycling around because one battle on the same side doesn’t change the anger that comes from foreigners desecrating what you hold sacred, and Orcs, while sure, by now they’d understand, are also stubborn as hell about backing down. They were attacked for what they saw as normal resource gathering.
I think that until BFA, you could reasonably both-sides the whole Ashenvale conflict. At this point, I’d call anyone looking to those forests wrong, but not for the long history, because that was back and forth and very muddy up until the War of thorns, but because that conflict has been tainted by Sylvanas’s actions.
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A lot of furry hate is based in something else. I can enjoy the character despite that because I’m just, numb to the version that’s without the illusion of it being about the uwus. But yeah, I definitely understand it being too exhausting for others.
Anyways, the IC viewpoint I don’t get is ignoring that the city is more than the players. People rping as if the player population is all that exists, and ignoring even the visible NPCs, as well as the very loudly implied numbers of citizens.
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I for one vote making a Vulpera guild of highly competent fennec agents who do various odd jobs to boost Vulpera representation.
Too bad trying to kill your racial leader in the Shadowlands right now~
Yes, good. Good. Harnesses your hate!
I think the difference is in the idea of conflict.
There are some people who see conflict as a hook: a trade of power and tranquility for the promise of a deeper relationship later. Working through a rivalry or an outright grudge with another person can be an incredibly deep and rewarding experience.
And then there are some people who see conflict as an opportunity to accost people in bars. That, uh, is one definition.
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I have a Vulpera named Craventail and he eats garbage. Foxes are feral and weird and most of them have rabies. Rise above the Vulpera hate. Start biting people’s kneecaps.
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Hecc it.
I’m going to do what I did once in WoD with Belves. I am going to contest the unreasonable hate for an in game race and make a character concept to run with for Vulpera.
The thing people seem to forget about Garithos is he was functionally Alliance in WarCraft 3, but in WarCraft 3’s narrative the Grand Alliance of Lordaeron had evaporated between the events of WarCraft 2 and 3 (WoW’s Alliance is something wholly concocted for the game itself. At no point do we ever see the Night Elves even remotely entertain the notion of joining prior to WoW.) Manual spells this out and everything. The Human Kingdoms had functionally all gone their seperate ways, the Elves had gone back into Isolation. Dwarves were still a friendly force but the WarCraft Dwarves have always been an agreeable sort and really are the foundation that holds the new Alliance together.
WarCraft 3 only saw the Alliance races of WarCraft 2 (Sans Gnomes unless you count the Workshop building), because Arthas built a multi-national coalition to deal with the Plague. The Priests of Quel’thalas were already investigating, Jaina brought in her Elven Sorceress contacts when she signed up, and Muradin and his Dwarves joined up in Northrend.
By the time of The Frozen Throne, Lordaeron was in full on Post-Apocalypse mode. Kael’thas and his people were refugees who happened to be taken in by a Human Supremacist (an archtype we sadly never see again despite the proliferation of every other type of racial supremacist).
I wish more had been done to MAKE Garithos canonically a part of the Lordaeron power structure. He’d be a really good stain on the Alliance’s otherwise fairly spotless banner (Spotless in regards to the tattered, bloodied rag that is the Horde’s at this point). But I always feel the need to be the “Ackshuawly” guy when it comes to him.
After sixteen years, I feel it is high time we did away with stupid Racial Restrictions for Classes. And with the new intro zone, it’s the perfect time to flush them entirely. Let people play what they want, how they want. Crap, I’d even allow “lowballing” things with the various Druid forms as just being recolored animal models with only the “Traditional” Druid Races getting the fancy model updates.
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All this talk of vulpera and how they’re perceived in RP even when played by those trying to do them justice and not use them as simple furry bait makes me want to engage seriously with some and let the RP blossom. Damn shame it has to be such a hard thing to pull off!
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LISTEN YOU
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I like you.
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This happens with perfectly serious and legitimate Pandaren characters too. People just refuse to take them seriously. It happens in other games too so it’s not a WoW community issue either. I think people just refuse to look past the surface 98% of the time. We spent a whole expansion being exposed to Taran Zhu being a strict, non-comedic and extremely principled and understandable angry dude and yet perception of Pandaren when they’re rped is “haha fat giggly bear man”, even if someone is playing a Taran Zhu type.
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I have a warning in my TRP that my vulpera may indeed be rabid. He will kill. He gives no fox.
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OH S-
I…I’m sorry sir. Just running my mouth off like the foolish, foppish elf I am. Don’t pay me no mind, good sir.
please don’t irradiate me.
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I will accept this pun on the basis that it’s actually pretty funny.
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every single vulpera RPer i’ve met has had this as an element of their character.
i’m very close to writing a blood DK vulpera who is an absolute glutton and eats raw flesh and garbage all the time.
in my experience, it’s not been. all you need to do is just kinda, RP. i encounter little hate on my vulpera, and if you RP with other vulpera (and they’re a very popular race so it’s easy to) you can get cool vulpera-themed storylines running real easy.