I see. I vaguely remember that but was always really confused what the actual motives were, if the goal is to kill them why didn’t they just do that instead of trying to ‘grow’ them?
Maybe I’m just thinking about it too much and there’s not really a motive besides undead being weird.
I mean… the whole MO of the Forsaken is cartoonishly absurd cruelty for its own sake, so there’s probably not much to read into there.
Good luck with figuring out anything with blood elves, fel magic, and the extent to which it was embraced by blood elf society. Blizz claims a lot of things that basically whitewashes all of it, but it’s hard to tell what is just creative interpretation and what’s retcon from them in that regard. Especially since it was extremely ad hoc the way they just slowly but surely rolled that back.
It doesn’t help that all the marketing for TBC and just the general surface level depictions of blood elves in-game screams, “they’ve gone all-in on fel magic to save themselves.”
Warden Stillwater had gone so far off the deep end (including experimenting on other forsaken) that Sylvanas’ representative pretty much tells him he’s not leaving alive. At that point there really wasn’t a purpose beyond “I wonder what happens if…”
There’s also a quest in Hillsbrad that explicitly tells you to go round up human slaves to be delivered to said camp. Maybe it’s one of those morally ambiguous rounding up human slaves.
We prefer the term “Rights-free laborers”
Wakes up from sleeping with my head on the desk
Hm? Huh? Duskwood?
The whole “but I wuhz just fllwng ordrs” isn’t an acceptable defense. Never was, never will be. I just say “Oh my, if it isn’t the consequences of my actions” whenever someone tries to escape punishment by saying that crap. You don’t get to go along with the mass murder of innocent people then get away scotfrree by saying you were ordered to do it. It doesn’t work that way IRL Baine is just as complicit as Sylvanas and Saurfang doesn’t have a moral bone in his body, he was just sad cause he got caught and was trying to save face for his willingness to go murder innocent people
I’m sorry no. It needs closure, I want ACTUAL CANON reparations in the form of an ACTUAL trial and held accountability for the Horde leaders by the Alliance. I want the Alliance put in charge of the Horde, I want the Horde to become toothless in the stories canon. Will it ever happen? Heck no. Not unless we keep badgering blizzard and hounding on them to MAKE it happen. I don’t want them to get away and I don’t want hurr durr horde pride to reign, I want to see CANON ACCOUNTABILITY in someone’s crimes. Make it a cinematic if you don’t want to have a qeust, but make it happen, and keep on yelling at blizzard to do it, just giving up and shrugging is wrong, don’t do that.
Uh oh, someone said reparations. I’ll start the countdown.
And with that the chance of this thread imploding skyrockets to 90%.
It’s gonna be an interesting day.
Yeah, but…nah.
No. 
I’m flattered by such romantic words, but saying they in front of the forums is a little gauche, don’t you think?
better backstory for a faction war than whatever bfa was
I know it might make the horde stans blow a gasket, but it’s an important direction to go. Too much fiction normalizes “oh he did terrible things but he helped us in the end so he’s our ally”. It doesn’t work that way, we don’t stop pursuing war criminals just because they have a change of heart. There needs to be some realism in the way consequences crop up after the fact “Draenor is FREE!” followed by a hug and a campfire sing along doesn’t work. The “villain” gets to live happily ever after while those he hurt always have that reminder of what they were subjected to at his hands?
Why shouldn’t those who were guilty be watched like a hawk? The good members of the horde would be vindicated by the extra supervision, while those who seek to cause more war and bloodshed would be rooted out and destroyed.
And it would let the alliance be the tough side for once, and be peacekeepers instead of always playing catch up.
come at me, bruh
but seriously, i support whatever gets another faction war and pvp
While I do think the Horde story of “We changed this time.” is old, doing some “we need to show people war crimes are NOT OKAY.” is kind of lame. I agree that Alliance should have had the Horde give more. Yes, supervision by your enemies that beat you could make for fun story for the Horde. Especially if they are undermining the Alliance conditions behind the scenes. Warcraft need not be a world where everyone gets their just desserts. We need not apply our real world morals to every facet of the game. There’s some aspects that make sense that do more harm to allow, for example it was a good thing to make homophobic and transphobic characteristics non canon in Warcraft. Where others that don’t make much sense like “We must make Warcraft a moral about how war is bad and the bad guys in war always get punished.”
The Horde can easily do this by itself. Blizzard just needs to write in the self-accountability when they feel like it. (Citing precedence doesn’t amount to much, in my opinion, because of how flimsy the lore can be at any moment)
Better than having a playable faction literally become the vassal state of the other.