g-garithos? why?
Yeah even with the novels (that original trilogy before Warcraft 3 came out and then the novelizations of Warcraft 2 and its expansion) it more just adapts and covers the events without elaborating too much around or really into them.
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@The Conversation about Turalyon, he was part of the Army of the Light for a thousand years, which is way longer than the usual human lifespan, Xe’ra used her Light powers to extend his life and that’s what the golden glow was about, not that he was necessarily brainwashed.
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Eh, also apparently you don’t age in the Twisting Nether.
I mean, you’re assaulted at every constant minute by a realm that is constantly mutated and warping around you from one horrific state to the next unless a strong enough will can take hold and force some kind of temporary order on the nearby region, but basically you’re in Silly Putty Hell with a side of Hellraiser and the Berserk Spirit World, oh, and populated by discount knockoffs of the Warhammer Daemons, so …
Good luck actually living in the one place where you won’t die of old age, I guess?
Probably kind of a goofy one but the idea that Ogres, as a whole, are a race of idiots. This idea is pushed to the forefront alot in the game, particularly in Exile’s Reach, but if you look at the lore and Highmaul in Draenor you can see that’s not the case. Ogres held a mastery of magic that could rival that of the Kaldorei Empire and had a society established that could rival the Zandalari. They had a system of commerce established, Highmaul appeared to have a pretty intricate social class system of peasants, warriors and nobles, and it was Ogres that taught the Orcs how to sail and use ships.
I’d theorize the reason so many Ogres are “dumb” is most likely the idea that education was reserved for the more wealthy/magically inclined of society, and probably the higher ranking military officers. If they’re ever added as a playable race I think they’d have a close relationship with the Blood Elves and Nightborne on the basis of natural affinity for magic and possibly even the Zandalari considering they have a fairly similar history.
There’s definitely plenty of dumb Ogres, but I think there’s plenty of examples that this isn’t always the case. I’d also point out one of the most dangerous adversaries in lore, Cho’gall, was an intelligent Ogre who used his cunning and intellect to build up the Twilight’s Hammer, one of the largest and most nefarious cults in the lore.
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What’s most jarring about Turalyon for me as a bit of a fan of the books, is that he was selected as Anduin Lothar’s Second-in-Command during the Second War because he was not overly fanatical/religious. If anything he had a lot of doubt about his faith, and yet retained a commitment to doing what was right. He had a good head on his shoulders for the military, but he wasn’t constantly preaching at everyone like Uther did. That was why he was selected.
But man X’era comes along and he’s like “Sorry dear the Light says I have to lock you up for a few millenia lmao soz”
A jarring change, but one that can take place in a very long period of time, I suppose.
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That’s Turalyon in act 1. Don’t forget how that story ended; he basically single-handedly stopped Doomhammer and the Horde from winning the Second War when he channeled the biggest burst of Light magic the (human) world had ever seen. He physically blinded thousands of orcs, albeit temporarily. Many orcs - bloodlusted orcs high on demon blood - fled at the sight of him bathed in Light.
Which is pretty much what Faol predicted and why he chose him - the only one of the first 5 paladins who wasn’t a knight, but a priest:
“I saw in you something that no one else had. You were a fine priest, but that wasn’t what the Light wanted you to be. The Light needed champions who could fight with both the weapons of humanity and the love and power of the Light. The others were strongest with the first and came to the Light later. You were the opposite.”
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Every now and then I forget Turalyon did a Gandalf-at-Gondor.
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In regards to Turalyon’s age…
I genuinely expect there was a scene like the one from Shanghai Knights where Alleria was dragging him on all these adventures like it’s super normal, but he’s in peril, not, peril, not, peril, not and just remarked “Just go ahead and let me die.” while Alleria is handling the demon horde present.
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Counterpoint, everyone that saw a trailer for that movie could tell that it was going to be a terrible cash in sequel so you’re the only person who has ever seen it.
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Probably. But I am going based off my memory for it since my Grandparents were rather stingy about getting movies when I was a kid.
I think I don’t have a problem with the majority of viewpoints. In-Character justifications aren’t necessarily out of character; they don’t need to be objective and cemented in stone. Rather they’re capable of drawing interesting lines and making interesting characters that would normally otherwise be cookie-cutter. However, the more remarkable things - which is what I am seguing into - is when those people who deliberately hold antagonistic viewpoints and espouse them openly within a public place for them to be openly challenged. Instead of this leading to interesting dialogue that can make development for one, both or more, characters it turns into a cyclical routine of “No you.” which becomes increasingly banal as time shifts and goes on.
I think that’s what I am more confused on, and why I largely leave the topic of “debates” and “arguments” for characters and players whom I both trust OOC’ly, because more development happens from them. Otherwise it feels like i’m smashing my head into a wall and I could’ve done more productive stuff, which has bred into me an aversion to those types of characters.
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my family also had this dvd when I was a kid Lohkash I am right there with you it was an ok adventure film worthy of being referenced in 2021
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I mean, movie was not great…
But Jackie Chan remains my favorite actor who was the Blackbelt Buster Keaton
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I’m afraid this is incorrect. Becoming Lightforged is what made Turalyon immortal. The fade of the gold from his eyes was Xe’ra’s influence leaving him. If this wasn’t the case Turalyon would be a pile of dust right now. We have precedent of what happens when a race that has enjoyed immortality suddenly loses that immortality; the rapid onset of geriatrics. This is what happened with the Night Elves, as portrayed in the novel Wolfheart, I believe. Of course they’re experiencing this phenomenon in a way that is, ‘rapid,’ for elves, which is still quite slow. If Turalyon lost his immortality, he’d have been dead before BFA started.
From Turalyon’s WoW Wiki: " Turalyon has lived this long because Xe’ra blessed him and, in her words, he “has crossed the boundaries of mortality. He has been found worthy to become an eternal protector of creation.” "
And no, there is no precedent for rapid aging. When the Night Elves lost their immortality they didn’t all die on the spot, they began to age at a regular pace.
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That quote is taken from the A Thousand Years of War audio drama and short story. Part two begins with Turalyon’s lightforging. It is mentioned a few times that he is being forged in the Light. The way the event unfolds, it’s clear he’s receiving more than just a blessing. It’s a pretty good read and/or listen if you’ve never heard it.
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I don’t think Turalyon is mind controlled or was mind controlled because he’s a human male paladin that can do no wrong. Joking aside, I think Xe’ra was a very my way or the high way kinda being and there’s likely some fanaticism in the Army of the Light.
I guess I view the Light like the opposite of the void (shadow). Void makes you insane while the light makes you fanatical. Sorta like, two sides of the same coin. Only a few exceptional individuals can overcome these negative affects. Which is usually the player character and important lore characters like Alleria and Turylon and Anduin and whoever else I can’t think of except Yrel because Blizz needed someone to make the orcs look good that one time.
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Never use WoWWiki. Honestly I thought it had gone under.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Turalyon#A_Thousand_Years_of_War
Becoming Lightforged is what made him immortal, not Xe’ra’s Blessing.
The Devs have stated that their intention with Xe’ra was to show a very different side of the Light than we had seen previously through Naaru like A’dal. A’dal is very tolerant and accepting, permitting demons and even void-cursed individuals like the Arrakoa into Shattrath. By contrast Xe’ra would sooner imprison or destroy anything that did not conform to the Light.
Something else to consider is that A’dal, who isn’t even a Prime Naaru, was powerful enough to exert his influence over Shattrath to ensure people weren’t bursting into fights. He enforced a state of peace over the city. If he can do that, I think a Prime Naaru like Xe’ra can do much more, and her agenda lends itself towards more fanatical behavior.
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At least we are consistent in our clearcutting and anti-tree agenda.
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