Collection of Dracthyr Evoker Player Feedback

A lot of people have been disappointed by the recently announced race/class combo and I haven’t seen anyone create a thread that collected everyone’s problems/critiques/ideas and put them all in one place so I thought I’d do it. I apologise if this in fact has already been done and this is an unnecessary repeat thread. Feel free to add anything I missed / forgot. For things that I thought could be contentious (like adding male/female bodies for the Dracthyr) I tried to provide alternative solutions/ideas. I’ll put a TLDR at the end:

Other Races of Visage Forms

Blizzard should allow players to choose their Visage Form from any of the existing playable races or perhaps only a selection from both the Horde & the Alliance that fit within the lore and that make logical sense. After all, we’ve watched dragons turn into a much wider range of mortal races than just blood elves & humans such as Chromie, who chooses to turn into a gnome or Ysera who chose to turn into a night elf so there really is no reason why players shouldn’t be able to do the same

The Visage Form customisation options wouldn’t necessarily have to be available for every race although having them available for every race would be within the realm of possibility for Blizzard if they pulled back on some of customisation options that they planned on giving us for the Visage Forms. I think many would agree that the head jewellery, cat eyes, pointy ears & face scales were excessive if not just a little bit ridiculous anyway

Visage Form in Combat

Blizzard could add a glyph that allows the Evoker Class to be played like a Demon Hunter where you could fight in your Visage Form with spells requiring your Dracthyr Form turning you into said form for the spells’ duration before promptly turning the Evoker back into their Visage Form

Male & Female Dracthyr Forms / Bulky & Slender Dracthyr Builds

Make distinct Male & Female Dracthyr models OR simply allow both genders to choose between a Bulky/Broad or Slender/Shapely frame. One solution provides the kind of sexual diversity that all the other playable races provide whilst the other solution gives players the most choice / ability to express themselves through their character

Reworked Dracthyr Form Animations

Rework the Dracthyr Form animations in order to make their movement less ‘bouncy’ and their demeanour less ‘goofy’. Many players want to play a dragon-themed race/class combo in order to be a brooding/mighty/intimidating beast like the dragons players have fought against over the years. As it stands right now, the Dracthyr’s wave gives off major Jar Jar Binks vibes and they skip like little kids when they run

More Visible Armor Slots for Dracthyr

As of the moment of writing this, the Dracthyr Form will only be capable of displaying Shoulders, Tabards & Waists. If we’re being honest with ourselves, Legs, Chests, Boots, Gloves & Wrists should also be visible at a bare minimum. In my mind, only Backs should be ruled out entirely due to the wings of the Dracthyr Form

Since Dracthyr players will be, as of this moment, unable to fight in their Visage Form, it seems only fair that Dracthyr players should be able to see the majority of the armor that they have equipped/transmogrified whilst in the form that they will be forced to be in for the vast majority of their playtime

Other Classes for Dracthyr Race

Allow Dracthyr to play as other classes that make sense for dragons, who are capable of wielding the powers of all five dragonflights, to be such as: Warriors, Mages, Rogues, Hunters, Druids etc…

The range of classes available to the Dracthyr can be expanded whilst keeping the Evoker Class exclusive to the Dracthyr

Dracthyr Flying Racial Ability

Dracthyr should be able to fly in the air using their wings that would function in exactly the same way as a flying mount just like how the Worgen ‘Running Wild’ racial ability functions exactly like a ground mount and whilst they’re at it, they might as well add this ability to Demon Hunters too

Changing Scale Colour With Specialisations (?)

I haven’t personally seen anyone else throw out this idea but I thought it’d be a cool (for those who want to) if you could make it so that your Dracthyr’s scale colour changes when you change specialisation so that your scale colour always matches that of the dragonflight/s who’s power you’re currently channeling/focusing on (IF that’s what you want, this would by no means be mandatory and you could even choose colours that don’t resemble any of the flights if it suited your fancy). I don’t actually know if specialisation-specific customisation options would even be possible in the same way it is with transmogrification or if enough people even care enough about being able to do so for it to be worth Blizzard’s time thus why I put a question mark next to this idea

Dracthyr Cross-Faction Capabilities (?)

So, as far as we are aware, as of Dragonflight, all players will be able to invite players of the opposite faction to groups in order to participate in dungeon and raid content together. However, they will still be unable to join the same guilds, fight on the same side in world PvP or hang out in eachother’s capital cities. Well, what if the Dracthyr, being representatives of a completely neutral party, the dragonflights, could break down even more of these barriers? Perhaps a Dracthyr of the Alliance could be allowed to chill out in a place like Orgrimmar and be able to understand the languages of the various Horde races as they go about their business. However, the reason I have put a question mark next to this idea is because there is a risk that by giving the Dracthyr too many advantageous perks, players could feel like now they have to play a Dracthyr in order to gain access to them

Evoker Tank Specialisation

Add a tank specialisation (themed around the black dragonflight) on top of the currently planned healer & damage specialisations, resulting in 3 total specialisations for the Evoker class. The black dragonflight seems to play an uncertain role in the Evoker’s toolkit based off the information that is available right now and a tank specialisation is (thematically) right up their alley

This would have the added benefit of granting the Dracthyr race access to all 3 roles (tank, healer & damage) since the only class that a Dracthyr can be is an Evoker (as of this moment). In addition to this, giving the new class a tank specialisation could hopefully promote ‘flavour of the month’ players to play as tanks in group content

TLDR

  1. Other Races of Visage Forms

  2. Visage Form in Combat

  3. Male & Female Dracthyr Forms / Bulky & Slender Dracthyr Builds

  4. Reworked Dracthyr Form Animations

  5. More Visible Armor Slots for Dracthyr

  6. Other Classes for Dracthyr Race

  7. Dracthyr Flying Racial Ability

  8. Changing Scale Colour With Specialisations (?)

  9. Dracthyr Cross-Faction Capabilities (?)

  10. Evoker Tank Specialisation

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Pretty sure that is what they’re doing. Dracthyr are just dracthyr, with no distinct male or female body. You create that form as you see fit, and the male or female visage separately. It makes sense. There’s no difference in body shapes for full size drakes.

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Yikes. Self appointed shepherd of the flock of misery. Like, why would anyone do this to themselves? :confused:

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I’ve read the article you’re referencing. The Blizzard representative said ‘‘slightly bulkier’’ which doesn’t really sound like it’s going to provide the kind of physical diversity that you see between the male and female versions of other races. I think when people say they want a bulky Dracthyr, I think they mean significantly bulkier like the difference in bulk between the likes of a male and female tauren for example.

Perhaps for drakes this is true but for humanoid dragon races such as the Drakonids this is not necessarily true. We can look to Hearthstone, where Blizzard gets ideas like the Tortollan (whom are now officially in WoW) from, to see that there is in fact an official depiction of what a female Drakonid looks like (and heads up, it has the typical feminine features you’d expect). What’s in hearthstone isn’t necessarily canon but it shows that Blizzard isn’t opposed to the idea of sexually distinct dragon races. The gender of actual dragons is of course hard to distinguish but this is because actual dragons are closer to animals than people.

It’s only a forum post with a list of popular complaints I’d seen and it took about 5 minutes. I don’t see the harm.

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Shapely!

I want a shapely female form.

This!
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They don’t even have to include the breasts since so many people are (understandably) critical of mammary glands on a reptile, the clearly female shape is enough for me.

If this was added I wouldn’t even care about how… copy cat the humanoid form is because I would never use it just like my worgen never uses her human form.

Heck, I wouldn’t even care that I couldn’t be a dragon.

And, going full entitled brat mode, I want that armor too! Now! Mailed to me with kisses!

Since this is just a gathering place for criticisms and ideas, I am trying not to argue any points but:

NO HORDE IN STORMWIND! I don’t care what they look like!


This thread was a great idea! :cupcake: :cupcake: :cupcake: for you!

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This was the main image I had in my head when writing that part of the OP

In the case of Dragonkin, the females having breasts actually makes sense since, lore wise, Dragonkin & Dragonspawn are actually mortals (not originally of dragon origin) who, somehow over the course of heaven knows how long, have been twisted into beings that resemble dragons merely by being in the presence of dragons and draconic power for extended periods of time. No doubt some Drakonids were also the creations of Nefarian & Deathwing.

I came at this point with a sense of entitlement because you really should be able to see your armour on your character in an MMORPG. It’s like the bare minimum a game in this genre can provide. Besides, all the other races in this game have that functionality including the only other 2 formed race, the Worgen where BOTH forms can see ALL their armour.

I can understand this sentiment and tbf, I don’t even know if they could get it to work from a technical standpoint. From a visual standpoint, I think it’d be fine since Horde & Alliance dracthyr will look the same. It’s not like orcs strolling about Ironforge or something. :slight_smile:

thanks, although I doubt it’ll help blizz recognise said feedback (I’m not actually sure what it is they look at tbh)

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Then would you mind adding shapely to either bulky/shapely or shapely/slender?

Pretty please with :cherries: on top? You could put them on your cupcakes!

I actually was referring to me, not you.

I thought you did a great job of stating the issues without slipping into entitlement territory.

I did not.

Kinda gives credence to the theory that Blizzard was just cheaping out.

Yes, it is.

Horde is horde!

Actually I am hoping some community council members look at it and pass it along. :crossed_fingers:

I might not agree with the majority of ideas but if they were made available for Blizzard’s perusal, who knows what ideas they might spark. :boom:

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Done

aha it’s cool then. However, I do think when it comes to expecting armour to show up on our characters that we should ALL be entitled because it’s the bare minimum and WoW ain’t exactly F2P

It could also just be that it’s unfinished due to Dragonflight being in pre-alpha. We’ll have to wait and see but I won’t hold my breath.

haha…

zug zug

My intent wasn’t to make a list of my ideas. These were things I’ve seen spammed in WoWhead comments, in the community council, on youtube etc… Also, the post is mostly for fun for those who care to read and cus I was bored and had 5 mins to spare but maybe all of the spam about this across different platforms will get blizz’ attention eventually.

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Hey, thanks for putting this together. It seems relatively comprehensive and certainly covers all of the criticisms I’ve seen people have with the new race and/or class!

I personally just want a tank option for Dracthyr (rather a different class or an evoker tank spec) and for more transmog to be rendered on the dragon-form’s model.

I’m happy with the rest of what I’ve seen thus far!

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Thank you

Especially when you consider the fact that people have wanted an earth warder tanking spec for shamans for years and giving that to the Evoker would be a perfect substitute (even more fitting when you consider that they both wear mail). I doubt we’ll see another spec announced though. The closest we’ll maybe get is a Dracthyr Prot Warrior using the legion artifact weapon appearance that looks like a chunk of Deathwing’s molten metal exterior.

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:cherries: :cherries: :cherries: Thank you!

I believe you can link it to a community council member but I don’t know how.

I would try to get Marisol’s attention as she’s pretty objective and level-headed.

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Meh I’ll probably just let it be for now. Way I see it is blizz is gonna do what they gonna do. Appreciate the heads up though

Actually, they cant display anything. They only have barbershop options.

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In the interview where they talked about this, I’m almost certain what she said was that shoulders, tabards & belts would display and then you’d be able to choose from a selection of pre-set helmets and the likes which would essentially work like customisation options that are glued to your character like hair which could be switched up at the barbershop (as you say).

I suggest going back to that article and reading closer. Shoulder, tabard and belt will be options from the barber shop. ie, none of your equipped gear shows.

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‘‘So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor.’’

This is the exact quote copy pasted from Wowhead. She said that it’s across their visage and Dracthyr form. Seems pretty explicit to me.

My assumption as to why it’s such a random & limited assortment of pieces that will display is because blizz has just taken the female havoc demon hunter metamorphosis rig and given it a dragon skin so I assume these were the only pieces that worked for that rig without any work being required.

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You can even slightly change your torso to be like slightly more slender or slightly bulkier; and the armor that you wear is a type of armor that you will be able to customize at the Barbershop, too. So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor.

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Tina Wang via BlizzPlanet

It clearly (not so clearly) says that your armor is from the barbershop in the lizard form.

Those areas will be the shoulder tabard and belt.

I think you are conflating 2 different things that she is saying. At least the way I interpret this, the shoulders, tabard and belt will be shared between both forms but the rest of your gear will only be visible on your visage form. Then, to make up for the now missing pieces on your dracthyr form, they will offer barbershop options for things like helmets (which you can see on one of the available images of the dracthyr). Take notice btw at the fact she says ‘also’.

‘‘they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form.’’

Well, there are exaclty zero images or videos of drakthyr displaying equipped items and not just barbershop options…

So it seems pretty clear to me that equipped gear doesnt show and its just barbershop options like the quote reads.

I don’t think we have the frame of reference required to make that claim conclusively. We have seen one dawning a tabard so perhaps said tabard is an in-game item that is actually equipable. We simply just don’t know. Also, I’d argue her word is worth more than the images since Dragonflight seems to be in very early development right now so the devs probably have more to say than show.

I don’t understand how you can say that it’s how the quote reads. She literally goes from talking about the barbershop customisations to saying that they will ALSO be able to equip tabards, belts & shoulders across both forms. That seems like 2 separate points she’s making in my view at least.