Climbing your way out of 1500 is impossible

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If you beat equally matched MMRs/Rating, you gain 5-12 Rating. If you lose you lose 12-17 rating. You can literally win twice as much as you lose, and still lose rating. You can win 4 matches, and lose 2, and your right back where you started, if not more behind.

You gain 100-200ish through the 1-1400 brackets, and it takes roughly a couple hours to reach 1400. SUPER EASY. But then, you hit 1500, the official bracket hell gate keeper of blizzards incompetent systems. As a 1500, you now get exposed to boosters, who are 1600+, who guess what, completely stomp your team as they do not even have access to that kind of gear bracket yet, go figure huh!?!?! That seems fair.

You also are now exposed to saboteurs, queuing up, and then leaving when the queue pops, simply to troll the opposing faction, or to give their buddy on the other side an easy trade win. No compensation or forgiveness for when that happens. Super fair.

It took me 2 hours to get to 1400 rating. I have now spent 5 days trying to get to 1600, and everytime i get a win streak going, 3-4 wins, i get force fed 1-2 instant losses against carries or a freakin saboteur. I am forced by completely out of my control odds to lose. And even though i win more than i lose in terms of streaks, it doesn’t matter. 4 wins gets outdone by 2 losses.

The amount of wins it would take to get from 1500-1600 with this kind of math/matchmaking is absurd, and basically impossible
 And boy, after 5 whole days of grinding RBG’s and having now lower rating than when i started, i mean wow
 I am speechless
 I went of 4-5 win streaks, and would lose 1-2 to boosters, and be in the negative of rating. How in the absolute hell, is that fair? If your winning more, you should be climbing
 Period
 But no


I just
 Don’t have any words man, nothing feels worse than spending a week of your time for 0 gain. Like, I’m playing the freaking game, i should be getting rewarded, not punished. I am putting forth the time, the effort. And it means nothing
 I spend hours in LFG, i spend hours doing RBG’s, i win a bunch, and then lose a few, and it starts all over again, a continuous loop of “you think you can get somewhere, but you can’t”.

It’s like a pay a dom $15 a month to abuse me, and i don’t even get the pleasure from the abuse
 It’s just
 insane


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Yea, I didn’t hit a wall that low, but the 2100 wall is rough. I’m queued against all glad and rank 1 players every match now.

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Inb4 the players who say “git gud” without thinking

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SL in a nutshell.

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The downside to a system that offers easy deterministic gearing is that players will find a way to abuse it. Not surprising they’re making it a requirement to keep the rating if you want to gear up via PVP next season.

Although I suspect the boost/carry culture will only get worse in S2.

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I apologise in advance for stalking your profile, but I don’t think you have the right to say what is and isn’t easy in PVP, you got your duelist back when there was like 4 people doing PVP.

See I hit the same wall OP hit, stuck at 1400, but I was making mistakes and it was entirely my fault for being out of my league, I got over 1K rating instantly, than climbed with a bit of help to 1600. And only a bit of help, I’m not the best at this game, but having KSM, AOTC and whatnot, I am also not bad and do know my class and other classes well, something you learn from tanking and healing a lot.

But I wasn’t good at PVP, last time I gained any real rank was back in Classic when on my first account I hit Commander rank, but that was nothing but honour farming. Since than I have never really cared for PVP, until they gave us a vendor, perfect for gearing up a tank.

I honestly had to ‘git gud’ to make it past that rank, I could not rely on being a good PVE player and having those around me simply tell me what to do, I was making mistakes and some that cost our team the game, like using the wrong legendary for tanking and not knowing the intricate details of solo holding a flag against a rogue. But with experience, practice, reading and getting good I am now able to hold a base against two rogues before help shows up.

Sure there are carry games, but I found it was about a third of each type of game being carry, even matching and easy win and if you can get over those evenly matched games than the carries are cancelled out by the easy wins and you can start to climb.

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I’ll give you a few hints on how to climb that no one talks about, every other youtuber out there will tell you how to play a pvp class, but know one tells you how to game the algorithm to climb.

1st Some classes/specs just can’t pvp. Yes, one off players can be carried by higher geared friends to get rating but could they que that and climb on their own, no way. I won’t go into examples on this, because people who play that spec will chime in with the one off person who got carried and pretend they are the law.

2nd Gear matters. It always has and always will matter in this game. Venruki has a great set of videos where he take a freshly boosted mage into arena. OMG does he get wrecked. One of the best mages in the world is getting blown up by 1000 rating scrubs. So gear up via random fun bgs and raids before you start your climb. Aim 215-220 ilvl with 20% versatility min to prevent one shots. Some people say 30% but I’ve found 20 to be the magic number that prevent a rogue or ret from killing you in a opener. Now you will be almost dead so be on your game a pop a defensive, don’t wait on your healer. Actions is always faster than reaction (so never wait on other players aka your healer to react).

3rd This is the most important. Gaming the algorithm. First start your own groups. Second always be the lowest actual rank in the groups. Not the MMR rank because you always run into that guy who says he is 2400 mmr but has never played higher than a 2100 game. Actually look at their game profiles. If they are on a toon that ranked 1300 but say they are 2400 on an alt, remember your trying to climb not carry their alt. Don’t accept them to group. Third once you are average rank with they player you grouped with, politely friends list them but drop group. Again your here to climb, and being on par means your climbing rank slowed down. It’s time to relist that group but find someone again with 100 rank higher than you. And remember actual rank not MMR. Fifth rinse repeat until your skill cap and you will hit a skill cap. For some its 1400 for others 2400 but that’s where hitting the dojo comes in. Go train on specifics your lacking like proper use of coms, proper use of cc chains, proper tracking of DR on cc, etc.

Now go climb and be awesome!

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Try paying a stranger in trade chat 600k, they’ll get you out of the 1500 bracket. 1k being the new 1500 and 1600-1800 being the new 2k-2.2 has made 2v2 p2w.

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You completely missed the problem.

Also only 4 people playing at the beginning of the season? Are you okay?

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Yea people don’t realize inviting people with lower actual rating tanks you fast if you lose. Much easier to climb with people who are far past you.

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if you truly are a better than 1500 player then winning MOST of your matches against the underskilled 1500s players should be no problem.

why are you losing 2 every 6 games against players you outskill?

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It appears you are not aware of the math behind the pvp ranking algorithm. Like a lot of things in life, it has nothing to do with your skill, and mostly with your knowledge of how the rules of the game favor certain things.

If you are the highest pvp rank on your team and lose a match you can lose 45 points off your personal rank. But if you win you only gain 5-15 points. One loss causes more damage to you then 3 wins would gain you.

If you are even in pvp rank with your team and you lose, you can lose15-30 points off your score. But a win could get you 5-15 points. Your still at a kind of a penalty.

If you are the lowest on your team in rank and lose a match you can lose 5-15 points off your personal pvp rank. But a win can give you “up to” 45 points on your personal pvp score. Making the climb in ranks out weigh a loss in ranks by far. Thus you climb up in rank even with some loss.

p.s. you can’t win all your matchings just look at even the worlds best they have like 55% win rates. The climbing in rank comes from playing to the algorithm.

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Activision can’t even cater to the crowed who they designed SL for. Sad. Now imagine a newer casual player trying to step into the pvp system at this stage, impossible. This expansion is for the sweaty forum defenders, nobody else.

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Yes the mmr has been broken this tier. If you didn’t play first month of the season or better 1st 2 weeks.

You’re screwed.

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Instead of one time boosting there will be boosting every week . They made the problem worse but good for token sales I guess .

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Your MMR is based upon where you rank among all ranked players, not your win/loss record, or your performance.
So yes, gains and losses can be lopsided. And the higher you get, the harder it is to progress upwards.

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I’ve seen a lot of early glads tank down to 1600-1800 so yeah for some of you didn’t start early your screwed

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If ur at 1400 rating and ur skill level is at 1800 u should be winning 9/10. The fact ur not doing that means u belong there

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Well this took the winds out of my sails.

I was going to start Rated content today but this post literally collapsed my hopes.

leave it to Blizzard and their insane systems to take the fun out of the game.

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