Can we swap Cleanse Toxins with the Blinding Light/Repentance choice node on the tree?
Right now its in a horrible place and would be FAR better to swap them.
EDIT: Since this post it has been moved up and in a much better spot.
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The positioning of blinding / rep is in a great spot for PvP. It gives us the ability to have both short HOJ + another CC of choice.
I would rather have the current option then cleanse poison, however cleanse poison should just get another branch to be accessible without all those bloat talents.
They should shorten the horse talents from 4 to 2 and add Cleanse in place of one of them.
Seasoned Warhorse added as baseline for Divine Steed to be 5 sec long and then we have Cavalier 1 point giving it 2 charges.
Then just add Cleanse in place of Seasoned Warhorse…
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They could just swap cleanse toxins with the judgment talent underneath wings. It makes sense in that spot since right next to it would be other utility spells (blessing of protection & sacrifice).
The judgment 1 point generator talent looks to be more geared towards hpally anyway so it makes more sense for it to be under golden path and judgment of light
That would mean that ret doesn’t get judgement to give 1 HP anymore though.
They should put cleanse instead of Divine Steed and put DS into base ability or rework it completly.
There is almost nothing new or interesting on the Paladin trees so far. Exorcism is nice, Consecration build is… interesting. But aside from that it feels like most of our abilities were just deconstructed so we have to spend like 90% of our points to function mostly the way we normally would.
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Pretty much that way for every class and spec. Which to be fair the new talent system is to last multiple expansions in the future, probably will add 1 new row or 2 each expansion with 5 more points to spend in each.
Not quite. The immense amount of cross-spec utility and new utility gained by several classes is crazy. Overall ret gained, what, Spellwarding? Lost cleanse for many builds?
60 sec sac is nice tho.
Sadly, and hopefully next build there will be some talent shifts and reworks.
I Also LOVE Recompense, especially where you can just shield of vengeance a chunk of the damage, thats more fun then 60 sec sac imo.
SoV and Recompense are degenerate gameplay. Taking damage to deal damage is awful design.
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I mean, taking damage to deal damage is bad gameplay. (see TBC seal of Blood/Martyr)
Taking damage to reduce damage of another player (likely a Tank) to deal more damage is good gameplay where without Recompense you’re just going to be taking damage from another player every 60 seconds instead of 2 mins.
Recompense is going to be VERY balanced and in no way will Rextroy find a way to abuse it an 1 shot people 
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Sac was always a good way to detonate your own SOV in PVE. Its degenerate gameplay. Now recompense just doubles down on rewarding it.
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Priest MC a level 5 mob. Rex sacs it. Opposite faction hits it. Million damage judgement. Done
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You stop taking damage once you lose 80% of your health, so it’s 40% of your health once every 2 minutes. Decent in PvP, but not all that spectacular in PvE.
I usually use Divine or Protection on myself when I use Sacrifice cause the dmg taken are physical so you can reduce all of them actually
The question is if you have an immunity will Recompense do proper damage.
To be tested but normally it should cause its the amount of dmg redirected it doesnt talk about the dmg you took. But the one your target took
Blinding Light being basically free for Ret is probably one of the only good things about the talent tree.
Personally I think they just need to go back to the drawing board. Even if Cleanse gets moved it just means we lose more of the very few options we already have.
Too many talent points are 100% locked on the spec as it is. Losing access to Blinding Light/Repentance will just be another kick in the teeth to an already terrible build.
I agree it is in a very weird position and shouldn’t be there, but for the current set up it really needs to be there.
If you were to change it, I think you would need to bring Avenging Wrath in place of BoF swapping them both, bring Cleanse over to where the current Blinding Light node is, put Blinding Light to where BoS is, and put BoS where Cleanse currently is.
It makes Blinding Light deeper, still keeps AW accessible, BoF becomes a default pick, Cleanse becomes accessible but skippable, Blinding Light is still accessible just off the tree as you are already going for rank 2 AW anyway, and unfortunately BoS becomes a holy/prot option only.
Keep in mind for talents that some are where they are because of leveling. Nobody wants to hear it, but it is true. You need certain spells by certain levels, so they can’t go deeper in the tree.