Not the first that appeared in game, there is countless npc’s with warrior abilities with mana bars.
Its just as believable as saying that they’re paladins.
Can’t they just be their own thing without trying to claim they’re one of the existing playable classes?
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None. They should open it all up. It’s all explainable in the lore somehow. Let gameplay and expressive freedom triumph over lore shackles.
If it matters that much to part of the community, they should consider realms where the restrictions are in place, like the RP realms perhaps. Or another set of realms.
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Let me create a hypothetical situation.
Only gnomes can be rogues. There’s thousands of gnome rogues in the world.
Blizzard says Tauren can be rogues.
You, screaming to the top of your lungs in a sea of 8,500 gnome rogues that look just like you do:
“MY UNIQUENESS IS GONE!!!”
Oooooookay.
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Your hypothetical situation doesn’t even remotely work. You still don’t know how to have a discussion.
- There’s no scenario where this equates in any fashion.
- No one is screaming.
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You know, Tovi, I’m gonna say that you’re actually being reasonable here, and I really do appreciate your points.
I know that they were raised by Balnazzar, but are they being mind controlled by Balnazzar? As far as I knew, they were able to call the Light, are still paladins of a sort, and weren’t under Balnazzar’s will so much as they were deeply and horribly misled, and willingly serving because they had nowhere else to go.
That could definitely be a deep misunderstanding on my end, though, and if Balnazzar is controlling them, then they aren’t free willed, and thusly, we don’t have a large array of free willed undead paladins to point at.
We still want 'em, but it could be complex.
ALSO! I can’t direct message you, or I would. Regarding that other thread pointing at Moonguard? I wasn’t able to respond to thank you and apologize, because I actually missed what that user said. Your point was actually valid there. I appreciate your reasoning.
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The reason is because lore still matters. If it didn’t we’d have opened every class up already in 10.0. (Except perhaps Druids since they require extra art assests.)
Blizzard didn’t do that and explicitly stated that for Paladins and Warlocks, they needed to lay some more groundwork to make those class/race combos feasible, because right now they are not. If we’re going to tear down all the barriers then I would indeed prefer that they do so with some robust lore in place rather than going with something half-baked like they’ve done in the past for many other combos they’ve introduced.
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Dreadlords do not need to mind control directly. They are masters of illusion. They can alter your ability to see and feel. It is possible they think willfully due to this that they are still alive and kicking, they also most not likely feel the pain of using the light in the same matter.
If their brains are tricked that they are alive, feel alive and etc etc, it will grant the same results of mind control if you make them think they are fighting what they see through illusion as undead or demons
Well, Balnazzar killed them and then brought them back. They belong to him. Necromancers generally don’t raise the dead then say “be free!”
No worries. The thread was getting pretty long. 
You don’t think certain races wouldn’t make good druids or shamans?
Depends on how the race cultures goes.
LOL no, no they don’t. But eh, I’m going to need to do some more reading, because as far as I was aware, there were more instances of free willed undead who could do this, buuuuut, it’s totally possible that I’m wrong.
Just like I was wrong with the other guy. I didn’t want you thinking I was going to reeee on you, when in fact, something was off after all. Heck.
I look forward to doing more research to see if I can in fact find good examples of why undead could and should be able to be paladins, but let’s face it - probably the best way to go about this to make it reasonable, seeing as how it’s never been an option (or wise/viable in most cases) would be to go the Lightforged route, and say that Calia and others helped redeem them.
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Tovi I know you and I don’t always see eye to eye on it but what if they are limited to Man’ari Eredar skins (Red Eredar) only. If lore means anything, not all Eredar accepted the Legions power willingly some had it forced on them. After the Legions fall could there not be a sub faction who wanted to redeem themselves and rejoin the other Draenei? Just tossing a lore reason out there for it. Kind of like how they did Night Elf Mages.
If they are red skinned, most likely they are already demons. Perhaps red skin should be DH only.
We could reach into au for dreanei warlocks though since there was a few in the Shadow council…
Even though I don’t like the Lightforged undead route, I think it makes the most sense. It’s hard to believe a free-willed Forsaken would choose to inflict that kind of pain on themselves.
I think eredar would make an excellent 2nd race for a DH but I’m just not sure how they would fit the backstory of a Draenei Warlock. I wonder if their future plans is to give certain race/class combos their own special starter zones.
Tauren Rogue.
Night Elf Shaman.
Kul’Tiran Demon Hunter. (although I’m all for this because this would be hilarious)
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And you are providing nothing but negativity and not even a credible argument as to why a pixelation of a character model on a computer screen is causing you so much trauma and grief.
Maybe you should create a lawsuit and sue Blizzard and Activision for emotional distress…because you sure are acting like your life has come to a screeching halt over the announcement of a computer generated image.
If you don’t like it…wear a blindfold and earplugs while you play.
You can go, “LA LA LA LA LA–these other players don’t exist and they can’t be rogues! It’s all in my head! It’s not real!”
shrug
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There are Goblin paladin npc’s in the game.
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Oh god the moment I thought of that the first thing that popped into my mind was a Kul’Tiran trying to use the float on tiny wings… Then plummeting off a cliff in the Wile E. Coyote puff of smoke.
I mean, this is just me speaking regarding the roleplaying community, but I know a good chunk of RPers who lean into the self flagellation bit specifically. Not to make it weird or whatever in another context, but their whole point on those ends when they write about it, is their righteous agony, seeing their undeath as a condition that needs to be cured, and a belief in suffering for the greater good.
As self flagellation was a thing that was canon to the Scarlet Crusade, a few writers just figured they’d up the ante in undeath.
For most undead, absolutely out of the question. But the question for me really becomes less, “would they want to,” because sanity apparently isn’t an often followed guideline in the game as is, but, “are they capable of it.” And it seems they are.
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