Yup, its so bad… how they ever thought that was acceptable is embarrassing.
In before people who never play other games types claim the animations in retail are excellent… Its like they have never seen character models done well or something and only ever played MMORPG’s and think that they are the apex of game graphics.
Like even FPS games from 20 years ago like Unreal Tournament 2003 had better animations than any Blizzard character model…
Also in before the fan boys say "you cant do that in an MMO RPG with so many players…
And here they would be wrong again because Joint Ops had 150 vs 150 maps with more objects in the environment than most Blizzard zones; (jungle warfare) and that was 21 years ago.
No excuses by the fan boys can cover for Blizz.
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Metal gear solid for play station legit steamrolls modern wow
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yup! but the fan boys will sing high praises of how excellent the graphics are… meanwhile never seeing how good grpahics can get.
Hell, even Sea of Thieves does WoW’s style better than Blizzard can… Its literally 100X better, and that game has now been out for years… 2017 I think it was.
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here’s an idea: go play dragonflight 
classic+ is a cool idea, but not to jam in a bunch of retail ideas. seriously, is your creative mind so barren that you can only get inspiration from retail??
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these are terribad ideas. go play retail if you want dragonflight
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The only things I can see working for Classic+ are these.
- Nerf item levels above 65 down to 65, and hyper itemized gear from AQ / Naxx is reduced to 62.
- Change how power word shield works mechanically so that it no longer nerfs rage flow on tanks, and so that it is a static damage soak value that absorbs damage based on zero armor class instead of factoring in AC. This change makes Disc good in raid without being OP as hell in raid.
- Nerf the stat Attack power by 50%
- Nerf the stat spell damage and healing by 50%, and remove the healing component of it; this forces choice.
- Nerf the stat spell healing by 75%
- Normalize rage for warriors so that rage flows per hit not damage based. This makes warriors better at low gear levels and not literally 4X better than every other class at high gear levels.
- New content added based on existing vanilla content following a vanilla template for dungeons and raids. New items will never exceed item level 62, and items will be designed with class builds in mind that do not yet have access to gear sets.
- All buffs will be raid wide and debuff cap raised to 80 slots for raid bosses.
- Special considerations: Change racials to MoP versions, and tidy up some loose ends on spells and effects.
They can play, some are just rediculously overtuned. Warriors are the majority of hybrids in Classic and a rebalancing that properly taxes warriors for their dual-role proficiency would be welcome.
Its rage flow, they scale way too well with gear. Making rage a static value per hit would eliminate the issue while helping low level warrior play not suck.
Their resource generation is one way to attack the situation. For better or worse, that would likely affect ferals as well. Threat generation is another.
After normalizing rage its a simple math equation to work out threat modifiers. Those can then be tuned to make holding threat as easy or as hard as you like.
Making threat harder to hold can be good or bad depending on perspective.
This can be good if you want to threat cap balance DPS so that DPS values cannot exceed a certain value based on the tanks ability to deal damage / generate threat. Doing so can actually force a more “vanilla” style of play and changes what stats are valuable to casters and melee DPS.
hypothetical (wouldn’t solve much in practice since fury would still be dealing obscene amounts of damage): the Protection tree’s Defiance talent (+15% Threat) now only functions if a shield is equipped, in defensive stance
Their damage is directly proportional to how much resources they have to spend (outside of auto attack) More similar to a combat rogue. If you restrict the rage, you restrict the damage.
Sure, but rogue is a wonky comparison since their auto attacks are typically the bulk of their damage for an encounter. If the DWing tank can’t maintain threat, they won’t be getting hit. If they aren’t getting hit, their rage generation will in turn be diminished. Again, this change wouldn’t be enough since they still deal an inordinate amount of damage when attacking from behind. It’s purposed mainly to address DW tanking.
Miscommunication took place above.
The point I was making is that Tanking can be easily dialed (regardless of rage) to make threat simply based on time on target and req defensive stance. Its not a complicated fix.
I agree. My hypothetical was more focused on prodding warriors into equipping a sword+board if they want to tank.
yeah could make it req they’re using shield slam to tank.
You clearly have no idea what warhammer is if you think old WoW is trying to mimic 40k.
AoS is the new kid on the block for warhammer and has 0 relevance for “art style” in this case. AoS was released when we already had the new models.
They’re literally the same models between the 2 versions. One has a higher poly count and able to make them move more fluidly, and the other doesnt. Get them in a T pose and the models are the same. So this arguement that the old one looks better than the other is asinine, when they are quite literally the same, but one has better textures and more poly count for smoother models.
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Nah, I want an updated classic WoW, so I can play while im on off nights from retail. What was so hard to understand in the original post?
Is your mind so rotted that you cant be bothered to read the entire post or understand simple english? Why can’t I take inspiration from retail? I would like some of the retail updates on old WoW, many other folks would like it as well.
You sh*tposters and purist classic dummies start seeing red when retail updates into classic gets suggested that you completely fail to read:
NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE YOUR CLASSIC FROM YOU, JUST WANT NEW SERVERS WITH THE UPDATED OPTION.
AS STATED
IN THE ORIGINAL POST.
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Again, you’re dumb, go re read the post.