So, after 2 Years, Blizzard should wipe out everybody’s Classic characters and their progressions? And delete all the Classic Servers and re-make them? Yeah, no thank you.
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It’s not inauthentic to take your level 60 and play BC. That’s the authentic way it was done. No one deleted their level 60 to start all over with a level 1 to play BC. What will produce the most subscriptions? That’s what blizz is considering. My guess is that allowing classic players to continue on to the BC expansion will produce the most subs. Doing it in a way that preserves stand alone classic servers is likely the best way.
There’s this theory that most people want a stand alone classic server. If we get an option we’ll see if that’s true. I think we’ll see most people move on to the BC expansion. But who knows?
I’ll only replay a game so many times. If they wipe the servers to start over I won’t start over. If they don’t release BC I’m done. While some will continue replaying classic over and over again my guess is that after a year or two you’ll see a large pop drop.
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shhh leave the dumbo alone to his transmog grinds.
dont kid yourself.
there is 0 demand for retail
And this is the problem…
People like you are so attached to their characters that they’d rather intentionally sabotage the game and kill it with stagnation than take the necessary step and make the necessary sacrifice to ensure the game is viable long term (and that’s not even mentioning the MASSIVE resource handout, in time, this would be giving to players. Not all of the content has to be for everyone, and if they aren’t capable of making it there in the authentic time period, they don’t deserve to be there… doing nothing, and giving such people unlimited time to progress is akin to introducing LFR to the game).
I never said it was, and even listed that as a potential option…
I just also pointed out a major problem with allowing transfers off of classic-vanilla onto a classic-tbc realm… Predicting populations for the classic-vanilla realm and the classic-TBC realm going forward is significantly harder to do, than it would be in the case where the two server types where intentionally kept separate.
Sure, no one knows what the pops will look like. It’s possible that so many will transfer that a stand alone classic server won’t be viable. It’s possible so few will transfer a BC server won’t be viable. But not starting a BC server doesn’t mean the classic servers will be strong. It’s possible that after completing classic content people will quit.
I think the problem is completely wiping out everybody else’s characters, when you can just start somewhere else, on a different Server. Wouldn’t it still be the “same stagnated” game after the wipe, though? Like, come on now. Even then, I don’t level as quickly as other people do. I do invest a lot of time and energy into my Characters, and I think this idea will hurt Classic not better it.
Honestly, the point of Classic is just to be Classic (and they never wiped people’s characters, BTW). If you feel stagnated, go take a break! I will NEVER be OK with the idea of wiping out my Characters without my permission. EVER! IDC how bored you are, I’m not bored. It’s not fair to wipe out my hard work and efforts just because people like you are bored.
Why don’t you just delete your own Characters and leave other people’s characters alone? Never, ever in Blizzard WoW history, did Blizz ever totally and completely wipe Characters (maybe some Gear, Items, Gold but NEVER Characters) from their player base accounts. That’s completely absurd! Even if they decided to start it, today, I guarantee you, a lot of people will quit WoW on BOTH sides: Classic AND Retail!
They soft reset characters every single expansion launch… You get new levels, new gear, new talents, new professions to progress through… In a time locked classic environment, the only place to go at the end of vanilla’s life is forward to tbc, or back to the beginning of vanilla.
What they’ve never actually done is turn off the progression engine that drives the game and indeed the rpg genre as a whole. It’s an essential foundation of the game’s design and what keeps people actually logging in, because it provides them with something to do, and /or something to aspire towards.
Because that’s no where near the same thing as a fresh realm… You’re just checking all the usual debunked talking points at this point.
No, the content has started over so once again you have goals to aim for, in each time period of vanilla’s life. Not unlike classic as it exists right now (which by your assertion here would be considered stagnant because we played vanilla 15 years ago). Stagnation is running out of things to do, which is different than having things to do, but doing them over again.
And here’s where your own sense of entitlement is causing you to miss the point entirely.
What wouldn’t be fair, would be giving you more time to progress a vanilla era character, than was authentic to actual vanilla. You have your time to get things done, so get them done or don’t. If you fail, then better luck/suck less on the next server cycle /reset /season.
Unfair would be demanding such a massive casual player handout, and systemic change to the entire game’s (and the genre at large’s) design… when doing so would have significant, if not terminal, repercussions to the long term health and sustainability to the game. Private servers figured this all out years ago. The sustainable model for keeping the game era locked simply has to involve resets to help keep that progression engine turning.
But… I’m not unreasonable… If you’re so attached to the character, I see no reason that you couldn’t just keep your character name ,class, guild, friends list, and basic appearance from your former 60 on your fresh realm’s new level 1…but your gold, rep, levels, talents and gear all get purged.
They don’t delete Characters, though. When you say “back to the beginning of Vanilla”, what does that mean?
I don’t see how deleting my Characters does that.
What do you mean by “fresh realm”? What talking points? I’m literally very new to this conversation, so IDK what’s considered to be a “talking point”. So, what do you mean by “fresh realm”? What does that mean?
I really don’t understand this. Why not just start over, on your own? Isn’t starting over on your own still “having things to do but over again, though”? Why do you need the system to do it, for you? I’ll never agree to “running out of things to do” in Classic. I really don’t. There’s a lot and plenty to do, that players choose not to do, but they exist. I’ll always have goals to aim for. A lot of them have nothing to do with hitting max level, raiding nor PvP. If that’s what you’re talking about.
Aren’t you being just as “entitled”, though?
I think it’s pretty unfair to delete any of my Characters without my permission. Also, I don’t need to “suck less”. How about we just don’t reset Classic?
What do you mean by “health” and “sustainability” for the game? What are you talking about? You’re going to have to dumb down your words, for me, if you can, so I can better understand, what you’re talking about.
I see no difference from that and deleting my Characters…
This tired old crap again man? The people that do not want to sit in Classic will leave no matter what… trying to pretend your argument has any standing is ludicrous…
No. Having two versions of WoW is enough. Classic is good enough. If Blizzard were to go the route you suggest we would end up with four versions of the game. That is not wise.
Further more, the demand for BC wasn’t shown through private servers. None of the big projects ever came to fruition, and the lesser one never garnered much support. The demand for Classic was massive, the same can’t be shown for other versions.
I dont care if other players go to BC/classic +. I don’t want to be forced to go with them.
Also, if the OP was a reflection of what Blizzard plans to do, I’d just quit classic now. I don’t want to level, gear, pvp rank multiple characters just to have them get deleted after naxx.
What is with you people wanting to destroy classic WoW by launching TBC?
I don’t get it.
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If they had actually given people a choice, I guarantee that they would have picked BC over vanilla. It’s a better game.
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The only reason there weren’t as many BC private servers is because there was so much more content to re-create that no one really finished any of them.
BC added an insane amount of content to the game. Content that it needs.
I doubt that many people would want to go to those “fresh” servers just to do the long boring leveling again and again. Burning crusade servers not going to happen, servers and things are expensive and you’re wanting them to have 3 different version of the same game which is nonsense.
Server merges usually only happens when the population has dropped by a significant amount, i haven’t touched classic is week because of boredom but i doubt it’s at that level yet but i do believe it will be
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You’re using a small subset of players and extrapolating to the whole. What happened when BC came out? The vast majority went on to play it. By comparison a relatively small subset went on to play vanilla over and over again on p-servers. What percent of players played on private servers compared to the numbers that continued on to BC? That’s the numbers that give you your answer.
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Big talk from a level 17 cow-ard.
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Canonically retail is years after the events of Classic so it would make little sense for them to suddenly reappear at an early time period with tons of gear.
By contrast, stepping through the dark portal is an immediate continuation of the events of Classic.
Relaunching subsequent expansions on seperate servers won’t destroy Classic.
At worst, it will cause servers to empty out because they didn’t want to be playing classic forever.
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