Classic + MIGHT be the answer

Classic + may actually be a good way forward

No ridiculous spell batching.

No Leeway

No racial bonuses of any kind, controversial but would make race selection about aesthetics and animations of choice for everyone rather than “Roll human for melee DPS” or “Roll horde for PVP”

Conservatively re-worked Class designs Maybe a nerfed version of the TBC talent trees and Classes? There were some improvements but some really bad ideas too… Super extended range on instant casts was bad, as were a number of other things TBC.

An arena system that provides actual gear for conquest points much like TBC.

Additional content with the LEVEL 60 CAP!

Item level capped at AQ 40 Level Yup that means NERFING Naxx loot.

LATERAL content progression instead of linear content progression; AKA gear sets and raid content designed for entirely differnet builds. Example gear more oriented for Protection paladins, Fury warriors and Balance druids; that sort of thing.

BUT, this is only a pipe dream because Blizzard will never make such a fine product; please disregard this post.

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Shadowlands is your classic plus.

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At the top of the WoW Classic plus agenda should be to fix talent trees so that Moonkins, Enhancement Shaman, Retribution/Protection Paladins, etc can raid too. Every class should get 3 “OPTIMAL” raid specs AND 3 SETS OF GEAR to go with each specialization.

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This was addressed.

Quite a lot can be done with the “meme” builds so long as they have gear; and there lies the problem… Their gear options are crap, in turn holding them back for PVE.

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Good job, you just killed your RPG based on a loot treadmill.

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Why does it need to be this?

GAG a maggot… That game will never amount to anything man, I will EAT MY HAIR if that game turns out to be worth playing.

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Because the majority of players are reward-motivated and in almost every RPG going back to the Ultima days, better equipment has been the principal reward. This is even more important in an MMORPG that needs to provide a regular stream of content to keep people playing the game. Even players who want to experience new content aren’t going to do it repeatedly week-in, week-out if there’s no reward past the initial experience.

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you mean alliance players…

We would be better off with out all the PVE only heros.

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Ah, right, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth on this forum from people not being able to grind AV efficiently has been from Alliance players. Silly me.

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I think you’re missing the point… The only reason MOST alliance did AV was to get rewards for PVE, these same players bypassed the PVP component of the BG because they were not there for PVP.

You simply do not understand the PVP side of the game and the people who enjoy more than just PVE.

PVE players, nothing technically wrong with them but dear god it’s impossible to provide content for them because it’s all they do. I would never make a PURE PVE game because it’s a 100% waste of time for the QQ you get from the PVE player base constantly complaining about class balance to the N’th degree… It’s absurd the crap PVE only players QQ about…

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Where? What was said?

Tbc with minimal changes plz

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DEATH TO SPELL BATCHING AND LEEWAY!!!

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I’m not going to get drawn into some absurd back-and-forth about which players are doing AV for what reasons, especially when your arguments are founded in “Alliance PvP like THIS but Horde PvP like THIS”. Especially when the original point is that your ideas scrap gear/stat progression, the fundamental driving force of the entire genre, and replace it with…nothing.

The good news is that there is an MMORPG that doesn’t have leeway, doesn’t have spell batching, minimized racial bonuses, reworked class designs that allow all specs to be viable, and lateral content progression in the form of working towards cosmetic achievements. Its called World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. You should check it out.

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lol NO, you’re just short sighted.

That would not be World of WarCraft BFA because it does contain LEEWAY…

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You need to pick one or actually explain your idea, can’t have it both ways.

No racial bonuses of any kind, controversial but would make race selection about aesthetics and animations of choice for everyone rather than “Roll human for melee DPS” or “Roll horde for PVP”

I don’t agree with this bit; I think racials add flavor to each race that gives you some choice in what to pick. What I’d like as far as they go is a more equalized experience; either Horde racials become more like Alliance’s or Alliance racials become more like Horde’s. I’m partial to the former; I think Shadowmeld is the perfect example of a well-made racial because it gives players room to get creative in how they use it.

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I’m almost positive that leeway still exists on BfA.

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classic tbc is the answer.

the sooner the better.

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