Classic + MIGHT be the answer

It’s the so-called pvp “gamers” who have been crying the most on the forums since before launch.

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no. none of that is a good idea.

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because that is how you progress. you can’t level anymore, no more talents are gained, the only way to get stronger is to get geared. it also acts as a gating mechanic.

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Or you can learn to play better.

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Not sure why it would take Classic+ to fix spell batching.

Spell batching doesn’t exist in Vanilla so they the developers should maybe fix that crap instead of wasting time with obscure Reckoning charge fixes.

The realism in me knows that they’ll just launch TBC because I can’t see how it’d be more work than doing classic+ content. I know it’s not going to be literally just hitting a button and saying go, but if they can make vanilla they can make TBC and WoTLK and it should only be easier to launch.

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Lets just removed all of the RPG from the RPGMMO… How about no.

Spec Viability is a pipedream.

And RBGs but ONLY if you can Q as a full group. The Vanilla/Classic version of AV Honor Grind Ranking requires that you avoid PvP at all costs. It is stupid. WSG and AB encourage premade dodging to just stop scrubs or solo Qers.

No… The Cap should be Naxx with [quote=“Williams-akama, post:1, topic:399866”]
LATERAL content progression
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Forced Level Progression was the worst thing the developers did.

They have millions of dollars worth of developed content. People would play those stories again. Even if they had to pay for them. ActiBlizz will want to monetize those and we should be ok with that because it WILL require work to make them viable at level 60.

This is what I am wishing for.

Obvious troll is obvious.

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Unfortunetly as much as id like classic+, tbc is the better route because some of the stupid things suggested by OP.
I would love new content in the vanilla world that consisted of opening up northrend along with new raids however I think gear shouldn’t be the only thing these new raids and zone give. Perhaps going to northrend should unlock new talents to spec into(talents added in tbc) and make it so you need to do long quest chains to get attuned and to obtain more talent points to spend in the new talent trees. Bring back arena and create more mounts perhaps with a 120% increased speed. Make certain things like arcane crystals and black lotus very common in northrend?
Make the new raid give tokens that you hand in for the gear and have multiple optons of what stats and set bonuses the gear will have. Perhaps make these a reskin of the t3.
Maybe add jewcrafting and make the newer tier have sockets. Maybe give enchanters the ability to enchant rings and trinkets.
Maybe give enchanters on use enchants that increase damage/healing/defense for a short period of time.
Pretty much what im saying is add the newer things from tbc and wrath that were good and only increase stats ever so slightly to give incentive yet make it not too powerful. That massive world bg in the middle of northrend was actually really fun, perhaps put something similar in that would be realm only just like that was. Make it give massive amounts of honor so people will feel the need to do it for honor grinding and thus bring back the community aspect in the ranking world.

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Here inlies the problem, everyone has some good ideas and some crap ideas (according to the next guy)

Why it’s just a pipe dream.

which is why tbc seems to be the best option despite us all knowing the idea of classic+ is much more desirable. I think a majority of classic players if banded togather, would make an better expansion than any currently retail dev.

I don’t see getting rid of racials as a good idea because it takes out rpg aspects.
I think spell batching is good however I think it is way to easy to batch spells right now. I shouldn’t be blinding and getting blinded 99% of the time I fight another rogue.
The tbc talents trees were by far the best the talent trees have ever been in wow, getting nerfed versions would be such a tease.
Arena would be great!
Nerfing naxx loot would create zero incentive to go past AQ40 for a lot of people.
More gear for other specs would be wonderful! Id kill to see a viable boomkin spec for raiding naxx

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Please stop using logic and common sense… you’re destroying everything the OP said.

I just want TBC and wrath service:). I wouldn’t play classic+, I’d just play retail.

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I didn’t think I’d ever say this, but…

Ironically, Blizzard’s not dumb enough to do any of what you said.

Every min/max orientated players knows that math rules and you don’t get to choose your spec (and sometimes class if you’re serious enough), but classic is one of the only times in WoW’s history that would benefit massively from updating/reworking a lot of specs, hell that’s what TBC actually did for them in the first place. That’s why all the other revamps classes have seen in WoW’s history have been about reimagining them, not fixing them.

Not really advocating for classic+ changes (especially not at least until Naxx has ran its course), but thinking adjusting specs to fix the broken/unfinished ones is about making all specs viable is silly.

Lol bet TBC servers will be a lot more PvE after the mess this is and how the imbalance gets even worse.

Screw classic+, give me tbc+

Long as it doesn’t have Leeway of any kind and none of the BS spell-batching I’ll play it.

I like spell batching it allows unique counterplay options in pvp. Leeway on the other hand is garbage.

TBC would be so much better if they actually release it progressively rather than on the last patch like they did for classic. That’s how we ended up with this terrible AV meta, classes having too much spellpower, dungeons nerfed, etc.

Spell batching was fine in Vanilla, it’s not the same in Classic, it also just feels and bad and plays very badly for classes that require precision timing.

Some classes are not adversely impacted, so obviously some may not care, or even enjoy the advantage it provides now.

Shatter combos just FYI, still possible after blizzard tightened up batching in cata, only difference was it actually required precision timing unlike Classic WoW 2019.