Classic is nerfed on beta

Fair enough – it wasn’t my area of interest, I probably skimmed those parts of the patch notes every time.

Wait – I don’t really care about launch. I’m here for the long haul, and banking on the devs saying they were open to the option of Classic+ and / or TBC servers and beyond. Before I get stoned for that – adding in previous versions of AV is, to me, well within the boundaries available for Classic, with or without a +, as previous versions of AV existed within Vanilla and are therefore fitting for a museum.

I am on board with that, I just can’t speak for others. And personally, I’d be fine with 1.5, 1.8, and 1.11 versions, because to me, it has always been about preserving history, and these are the three major versions of AV that existed in Vanilla. (Iiiii don’t really expect all three versions to get made, but I can dream!)

To me, the simplest method would be having all versions open to be able to be queued into. Or even just a ‘Any Version’ option to queue into. The community will sort itself out in that regard – some AVs will die naturally or simply pop less frequently. To me – that’s perfectly fine. Holiday weekends are alright as well, I suppose, but I’ve never been one to enjoy taking away options.

Here’s the thing – no matter what other pre-1.11 AV’ers say, I’m with you on this. More versions is better, no matter how they’re implemented. And while people may disagree with you, they do respect you. I respect you. And I think others are willing to listen to you more. I’m sure you feel like a broken record at times already – but highlighting that you support more options, would, IMO, go a long way. You may, in fact, be better able to bridge the gap between 1.11 AVers and pre-1.11 AVers than I’ll ever be, because I can get a bit aggravated… with… certain… Z-based people…

I think we’ve always been on the same side of things to a degree – I’m just more vocal toward the other options and pointing out the merits of other versions, while forgetting to mention I’m not against 1.11, I just don’t prefer it – but that I desperately think we need at least one of the earlier versions included because of the historical significance of the early design.

Only if you’re horribly bad and can’t win a BG.

I’m genuinely curious. Is that why you’re so pro 1.12 at the cost of the authentic overall experience? You think only the “private server” players want things like a re-tune? You obviously don’t like them very much - and for good reason. But, there are many people who are championing 1.12. Each falls in a particular category. I’m just trying to figure out who’s in which one.

Did Blizzard say that “We’re not getting anything else changed at this point for launch?” Do you work for Blizzard? If so, maybe they should put in writing. Until then, I and others will continue to be vocal for change.
Look what happened with the “Wall of No”…it came crumbling down.

This would water down the queues so much that no-one would have an enjoyable experience.

That’s why I’ve said specific Weekends would be the best option.

It’s not over till it’s over. We’ll keep fighting the good fight.


Even though I did chuckle (a bit) …I know that Patch 1.12 is the wrong choice. I did “live” through all these patches. My memory might be fading as I and the game age however, when I saw AV being streamed this past weekend I knew it was not what was good about AV! Then I started thinking about exactly where we are regarding dungeons and raiding. It’s NOT the right choice. We got/need to make a change and that can’t happen unless we speak up. I would rather speak up and know at least I tried. /shrug


Cross-realm BGs, else I might agree with you. (Though the reason they gave for layering might give me pause as well.) Also, a ‘Queue All’ button would resolve that. Either people are favoring one BG or the other, or people are queueing into whatever and land where they will. Unless you think the population of Classic will simply be that low, combined with AV being that unpopular.

That said, I don’t have the numbers, and likely neither does Blizzard just yet. Hence why I’m rather flexible on the issue of implementation currently.

I suppose. I was still holding out hope they’d accept rolling the CRBGs back to CP6, as a possible “minimal code” change.

What are you talking about? They are game developers–it’s obvious what they should have done. They should have developed the most fun version of AV possible given the benefit of the past 15 years of conceptualizing what it ought to be and play like. They could easily do that and tell us to suck it up because they’re telling us to suck it up now. That’s a decision on their part. There is no universal law prohibiting them from altering AV, they are choosing not to do so.


You guys are braindead, on par with the “wall of no” people.

You realize that Blizzard is a company driven by profits, A.K.A. consumer demand. If everyone said “I’m not playing this game unless Blizzard does X” and MEANT IT, they would have no choice but to give in.

The reason why Blizzard went with the decisions they did up to this point is because they are trying to best meet the demands of their consumers, not because of some foretold prophecy or something.

Preach! Same here friend.

Then do it.

You’re going to end up like the legions of other crybabies that have given a fake ultimatum on this forum.

The point is that repeatedly spamming “Blizzard already said X” isn’t an argument. If you disagree with what someone is proposing, then actually come up with a valid counterargument or stay out of the discussion.

Otherwise, this is what you’re on par with:



  1. Blizzard does not believe there are enough people interested in utilizing this idea long term to justify the costs necessary to bring it about.
  2. Blizzard feels this idea is counter to the nature of MMO’s; non-progression equates to stagnation and eventual boredom.
  3. Blizzard does not possess the old code. No, they did not save it as a “backup” - they might have for the launch of Cataclysm, but that was over four years and two expansions ago. Even if it were “recoverable” by other means (i.e., see “private” servers” below) it would still require lengthy and expensive rewrite, a task Blizzard denies interest in.
  4. They have no plans or desire to recreate the original version(s). They refer to the notion as “a logistical nightmare,”… and in keeping with #1 above the time, money and resources required are prohibitive and unjustified.
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Then you’re open for more Guild Bank and Graphic debates, right?

I’m not against Guild Banks or Graphics. Congratulations on finding some of the changes that I wouldn’t care to argue against. I don’t join those threads because I don’t have an opinion. I certainly wouldn’t go in there spamming “Blizzard ALREADY SAID X” like a trained monkey.

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Glad to see people still not understanding that 2019 playerbase isn’t going to want to sit through 3-day AV turtle games