Ok, so it’s clear to you. Yes It Is Greifing if you’re kiting an elite mob to a city. Will your report get you in trouble NO.
Blizzard will not tell you what isn’t against the rule because people lawyer things to get through grey areas.
Which seems like what you’re trying to do about a possible or actual kiting of an elite mob to the cities.
Doing something like this once every few weeks I doubt anything will happen to them. If they do it every few hours or every time the thing despawns then yes there is a good chance that would be zone disruption. But let blizzard decide that.
No, I’m not trying to do anything. I made a post on Classic WoW Forums
People saying it is not griefing because it is classic. Not sure why you posted your comment.
Remind me of the player trying to bend the rules trying to claim Tourette’s Syndrome to cuss in game without punishment.
If they do it enough over and over it is zone disruption.
It why Blizzard started leashing the monsters, to prevent kiting making people upset.
I do not believe Tourettes effects ones hands or fingers making them type the words out and hit enter, But yeah.
You should make a post or suggestion that they put leashes on these elites to prevent this.
I think another player one upped it by saying he had a voice-to-text program and when I pointed out his sentence structure was too coherent for someone with actual Tourrettes he went insane claiming I was discriminating against Tourretes people.
Anyway we’re like 90 posts in about this “griefing” thread with an OP beating around the bush so I believe it’s a good thing to maybe lock it and allow him to continue discussion at the WoW Classic forums for feedback purrrposes.
I came to the Customer Support forums so I may gain clarity to a question I had. I was never beating around the bush.
I never wanted a discussion. I wanted to know the rules. If you read the post in the Classic WoW general forums I made. People saying that “it’s part of the game”
Now I come to customer support and it came to a conclusion. That yes it is considered griefing. Do you see this dilemma?
That was not the consensus here. The consensus here is that it is up to the GM to decide based on their current internal policies. Policies they are not going to share. If someone genuinely feels something is against the rules, they are free to report the person. Manipulating the report system involves using multiple accounts, encourating others to falsely report something, etc. A genuine single report is not an issue. Never has been.
You have NO REAL ANSWERS from anyone who matters - which are Blues. So you don’t really have anything at all, besides opinions. None of which really matter.
Report it if you want. If you don’t want, don’t.
This thread seriously needs to stop going in circles.
That is not for you to decide. It is up to Blizzard to determind if it violates any of there policies. Not you. We could say one thing, but Blizzard may say something else.
We aren’t the rule makers here. That is all done for Blizzard. If they consider it griefing or zone disruption, or which ever policy it could fall under, then Blizzard will do something. But if Blizzard does not look at it that way, then no, nothing will happen.
If you think someone is violating any of Blizzard’s policies, report it. If you think doing something might violate any of the policies, then don’t do it. It is that simple.
No, someone posted in this thread.
That Blizzard considers it as griefing However, it is up to the GM if there will be an action on your account. Another parallel to this would be talking in Trade chat without the purpose of trading it is actually against TOS but up to the GM if your account will be actioned or not. Not sure how they determine this.
Actually, it comes down to whether or not Blizzard feels that doing this is “disruptive” versus normal game play.
That’s why you report it and let them decide.
It’s a grey area on purpose. It gives Blizzard the discretion to decide what to do and if they wish to action this sort of game play.
The Classic boss-kiting video I linked above (Kazzak at Stormwind) was pretty disruptive. Killed everything within range repeatedly, players and NPCs alike, making Stormwind useless for any gameplay purposes. GMs had to personally intervene to force despawn Kazzak to end it.
I don’t know for sure, but I’ve heard the kiting perpetrators were punished. But I believe the performance got repeated on other realms until the developers got fed up and programmed world bosses to leash to where they spawn, making them unkiteable.
Anyway, I think there’s historical precedent that kiting a disruptive boss into a city will draw some kind of game penalty.
I think you would need a game design change to cause these elites to leash, which would require a suggestion post in the classic forums, or by submitting it via the in game suggestion/bug reporting tool. Specifically leashing for elites was put in for Hardcore, but it depends on if the @dev team want to go #NoChange or #SomeChange.
Everything else is outside the scope of CS forum as a player discussion forum. I don’t remember Zone Disruption being an issue when Retail was Classic personally.
This didn’t need to be restarted, clearly.
Its the same thing. Back then and now. Again, its classic fresh, like it was when it came out.
Kiting a boss like kaz is not griefing. Its a Rite of passage for fresh 60s to kill him.
I really do agree with the MVPs here this post needs to end.
Terms of griefing are a clear line.