The ludicrous claim that the effort of logistics behind a single person’s priorities somehow scales 1:1 with synchronizing the priorities of 40 times as many people is the real gem here.
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It is infinitely easier to post a signup sheet on a discord or literally just spam lfg/trade to find people to play for a total of 1-3 hours then it is to completely dedicate 12 hours a day for 2 months to grinding wow with no breaks allowed.
There are literally THOUSANDS of raids being ran every week, its not hard to organize
Maybe if you had a life outside of wow or were playing on a server with more than 10 people you would have a different perspective
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congratz but if ur gear is already that good then why u need r14 then XD just raid
don’t have to take ranking seriously until r11 or r12 which can be solo’d up to that point. R 10 is very achievable for almost anyone playing casually and it’s ez to get 1 full rank up each week up until then
the “sprint” at ranks 12-14 is the only somewhat hard thing about the pvp system. If it weren’t for that, there’d be no grouping and no pvp community and its supposed to the barrier or else everyone would jus rank instead of going for tiers 1-2.5
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Why do you have a problem with the concept of people being able to grind out pvp epics over the course of a couple months if people can already get better gear in less than half the time?
Why does the pvp gearing path have to be exponentially more time consuming and unhealthy than the pve gearing path while simultaneously offering gear of a lesser quality?
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Bro i think you’re arguing jus to argue dude. I played on ur server and im literally telling u how it went down in 2019-2021.
Also like the guy above you mentioned, the reason whypvp might take longer is that it has to equal the combined effort of 40 people in a shorter time frame vs 10 people (you and ur premade) in a slightly longer time frame with a queueing system. you know whats easier than signing up on a discord? literally going to the NPC and pressing 'play WSG"
If it takes a pvper and a raider 2 weeks to get their full set, but the pvper only has to take 9 other people (OPTIONAL at that) and jus queue up, its a no brainer. its supposed to be a choice . and the “grind” isnt even that hard either. 700k literally can be done in the week and still have time to do other raids
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Why are you automatically assuming that the pvp change is going to allow you to get full rank 14 gear in just 2 weeks?
You’re assuming blizzard is just going to make the gear require barely any grind.
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jus based on past experiences with their changes and their wording. Their post implies they’re going to make the grind easier. I doubt the point is to make it HARDER
the “2 weeks” is just a hypothetical example.
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"If it takes a pvper and a raider [a similar timeframe] to get their full set, but the pvper only has to take 9 other people (OPTIONAL at that) and jus queue up, its a no brainer. its supposed to be a choice "
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Not to mention progression runs & RNG drops FOR 40 PEOPLE vs guaranteed participation trophies
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Would you have a problem if the pvp changes simply removed decay, but made it so that it still took 2 months of being in bracket 1 to get rank 14 gear BUT if you couldn’t get bracket 1 it would just take longer, like say 3-4 months?
You cant possibly think somebody spending months pvping didn’t “earn” the gear when most raiders would be in full epics in half that time
lmao thats true too, once u hit rank 14 u can buy everything. Get ur 2her of every weapon type, get ur shield, get ur 1hers, and if ur a hybrid, get the weapons for every spec and offspec. No need to split loot, or pray to the RNG gods.
I wouldn’t even be okay with removing decay either. you don’t get gear for “almost” killing KT. you either kill KT or you dont. So the same thing, if you cant make bracket 1 for a few weeks, then you shouldnt get geat for “almost” getting r14. (technically, u can actually get R14 with bracket 2, but it’ll take longer. so its even easier cuz u dont technically have to hit bracket 1 once ).
I have 2-3x the amount of HKs on my shaman than most rank 14s on era right now
I have pvped more than them, and im better at pvp than a vast majority of them.
Yet because i didn’t do it all in a 2 month condensed period of time im not rank 14
The system makes absolutely zero sense if the argument is “you have to put in the work”
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welll think about it this way, in most 40 man raids the later bosses are harder than the earlier ones in the instance (generally with exceptions ofc).
You shouldnt be able to “jog” your way to r14 when raiders cant. if a raid/guild can’t get past saphh despite clearing the other wings for weeks on end, then they still wont get saphh loot.
sort of the same thing with R14, you can jog ur way to r11, but you still need to “sprint” to “clear r14”. if a guild has to spend weeks on end on progression, then pvpers should spend weeks on their version of progression (bracket 1).
That argument would only make sense if rank 14 had ANYTHING to do with actual skill, it doesn’t
Ive seen so many TERRIBLE rank 14s, and likewise some of the most skilled pvpers i know couldn’t be bothered to get rank 14 because they simply either couldn’t or didn’t want to invest the time into no lifing bgs for 2 months
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yes im sure there are but you know that saying the exception that proves the rule? some rank 14s might actually be bad but generally they’re “good”.
sweatiness in one area of the game their likely going to be sweaty in other areas too, esp since a lot of the r 14 gear is good for PVE (especially warriors). actually, a lot of the top end raiders also happened to be high ranked too.
even in p6 of classic, you can still tell the difference between a well-ran raid and a poorly ran one. bad raiders can still get gear despite being bad so pvpers and pvers arent any different in this way.
I think classic pvp system should stay the way it is ESPECIALLY because the game isn’t really balanced around an arena pvp style “skill”. The class balances for pvp really started happening around tbc which is why a revamped pvp system made waaay more sense then
Why are you so against the possibility of rank 14 gear being obtainable through a slow time consuming grind that doesn’t have to be done all at once in a condensed period of time?
In what way does it hurt the game if people can grind rank 14 gear after 2-4 months of grinding bgs?
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Yes here’s why:
- the RP / decay system encourages a pvp community and grouping up (even though probably unintentional). to rank from say r11-14. not only do u need a team but since the RP u get is relative to everyone else’s honor, you also need to know your own faction too. this encourages social play and a bit of communication and coordination with people in ur faction. (infamously called “the pvp mafia”).
whats funny is that this pvp system actually encourages pvp sweaties to actually switch up their teams from time to time too. I remember when some people on the horde’s “A-team” were comfortably reaching their bracket limit for the week, we actually subbed out the “good pvpers” with others from the “B team” since the other members of the A-team were already on track to get their bracket for the week
"oh sh1t! we [the A-team] are doing really well and we might actuially reach our cap early this week! lets sub some ppl out from the other group cuz we don’t want to accidentlly break brackets’’
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like the what we’ve been discussing, it devalues the other items and content in the game. We’ve seen that in SoM when they made ranking easier AND available right from tier 0. MC was largely replaced with AFK-AV
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i also dont trust blizzard to implement changes well. see SoM 1, classic wotlk, and retail. It’s fun to theorize and stuff but it usually ends up breaking something
Also, wanted to add that they couldnt even get Warcraft 3 right lol. With their “changes” they somehow made a 2001 video game WORSE
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If it’s actually soloQ rated BGs with only the top x% of players being rewarded the epics at the end of each season, that would actually make them harder to get.
Sounds like garbage. I’m not interested in solo q
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ya…its almost like we play mmorpgs to play with other people…keep that solo stuff in retail imo
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