Im not sure you remember what a group of 40 people is like. Its been 3 years since youve had the population to support a group of that many.
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Not making anything up. I literally saw it happen back in 2020, i forget his name but an orc warlock was taking standing 1 for 3 weeks straight because he didnāt like the other people trying to get HWL. I also had it happen on my server Earthfury, some warrior bumped 2 people out of standing 1 for 2 weeks straight because he didnāt want to cap with people. Pure spite. So donāt you tell me that iām making stuff up when itās clear you have no idea what youāre talking about.
Like I said bro
You have no proof. Only stories. Iāve played vanilla for a decade and I only know of 1 or 2 rare cases of demented trogdolytes trying to do that. And it never lasts, it always backfires on them. Whoever youāre talking about was simply a bracket breaker. Nobody ever has got r14 and just continued to hold br1
People make up all kinds of crazy lore over specific breakers and just unstable ppl in general
Edit: After rereading your post maybe that lock was not on EF horde, and that warrior if he was an ally maybe, because there were more āsituationsā on that side, but the rest of my post still stands and I knew people on both sides of EF ranking into 2021.
When? I ranked on Earthfury horde and hit 14 on my druid at the start of April 2020, two weeks after the thousands of Incendius horde came over, and by the way, they were awesome with that. They could have told me to get lost but I still got my rank on time, I even ran with some of their premades, and got out of the way for the next guy. After Incendius came over things were run like a machine. A few problems were that mage editing the Honorspy numbers and breaking by 68k a week after I was done. That made a huge amount of drama. Then the guild leader of that notorious guild going 50k over and everyone else ending up PVPing on Monday I didnāt see a lot of problems, and I would have known.
I had horde friends ranking the whole time, MANY during the covid days, they would have told me.
Now if we go back to 2019 and into Feb 2020, gen 1, sure there were a few things. There was some drama. For example, the guy who shared his account, the streamer, and I did know of a lock who ran AV PVP bots that I didnāt agree with at all but with that being said he boosted an extra BR1 spot for me, and another guy to so we could get 14 on the same week, so there was no holding hostage from him. I was on the PVP Discord and would have seen if there was a lock holding the spot there.
I find this stuff all VERY interesting which is why I donāt want a lot of changes (a lot more interesting than solo grinding gear which is pretty meh and unmemorable IMO - to me getting better as a player with a team, some drama, and using VERY important to the real world skills like social skills and networking skills which for some reason gets vilified and downplayed by some in where they have this belief for some odd reason that only personal game skills, that donāt matter much in the real world, are all that matter an MMO as if this is a totally different genre of game like a MOBA or something. 
Rant over. )
Back on topic, Earthfury was my server and I paid A LOT OF attention and have a good memory so if someone was holding 14 hostage for weeks in 2020 thereās a very high chance Iād know.
I can tell you all about the ally side too. There was more drama there at times. Again, I know the Earthfury PVP history VERY well. Iāll go with you misremembering something over saying youāre lying or if Iām wrong then sure whereās the proof?
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The ranker drama and autism is 50% of the game on fresh
Iām proud to have burned down som av discord and of my team smashing everyone.
Canāt wait for som2 to burn the world all over again
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It really is like 50% of it for me too as well as gaming with other people with a common goal and going against other premades.
Yeah, I remember SoM and one of the guys I was playing with being like āThey kicked me out of the Discord and said do WSGā. LOL. I didnāt want to do more AV anyway.
ā¦but yeah even with SoM being bad it was way more engaging to me than tbc where I could have been solo grinding tbc PVP gear on alts, but I found that boring. So SoM still was fun.
Iām watching this all pretty carefully because Iām still taking a break but I know whatās fun for me and whatās not and solo Quing for gear etc aināt it.
Yeah Iām interested highly in whatever theyāre trying to do.
Iām leaning towards bad but we will see
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Mootwo its Azill, we ranked together on your hunter Catch. Iām sure you remember me as youāre still on my bnet friends list. I donāt remember the warriors name but he forced his way into b1 every week and bumped r13s down a week for hwl. I remember this specifically because I was talking with the ud warlock running the brackets at the time about it so this is 100% true. The other warlock was on I think grobbulus, I donāt remember his name but he was HWL for like 5 weeks in a row or something insane and he had an insane number of hks at the end of classic, something like 1.1 mil or something like that. I know about that as well because I talked to him lol.
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Iām hoping to be pleasantly surprised like when they announced chronoboon. They can be competent when they wanna be but itās like flashes of brilliance after years of slowly worsening dementia.
OK. Yes, I remember you and you are still on my friends list.
I remember how crazy ranking got right before the tbcc pre-patch which no one would have expected because if it was all about gear as some keep saying that would not have happened and things would have been easier.
I remember those 2 or 3 people that just went all out because they wanted the titles for tbcc so you didnāt get to reach your rank goal (14 I think?) before the tbcc prepatch which sucks. You were pretty upset about that and I donāt blame you. Those guys really wanted to be rebels. I remember how they got mad at me for afking between games inside the cave because āI was afkingā even though plenty of people afk in Org or whatever. Those days were pretty āwild west, do what you wantā. We had some good conversations back then.
I hope youāve been enjoying Era.
Hey iām glad you remember me. Yeah that shaman and his friend screwed me over. I also remember people being mad at you about the cave thing, saying you were hiding from honorspy so they couldnāt see what you were at for the week. Iām enjoying era, though iām looking forward to these new pvp ranking changes, whatever they may be, as the sweatiness has only increased since then. I also regret rolling alliance lol. Hope youāve been doing well.
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Why? Scared you wonāt be able to beat any1 anymore? I hope you get banned again.
Nothing is stoping anyone for making premades if they change the honor system. People wth jobs and lives will just be able to get gear. You no lifeās hate this because you wonāt be able to one shot people in blues anymore. Iād rather have pvp with equally geared players, not stomp on the under geared. Yāall can make up any excuses you want ā¦ Your fear of legit competition shows through
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Lorm got banned? Why?
Why do so many of these low post count posters say the same thing, like sock puppets almost?
Iāll break this one down but it could go for any of the replies that say the EXACT same stuff. The replies are a breakdown of what the comments actually mean:
āYou can still click the join as group button so you can still premade. Not that I care because I donāt want to premade but I like to sound smart even though I donāt like to think in a complex way about why things that I donāt care about actually work as they do.ā
(Note: This is an assumption because as of now we donāt know if breaking premading is a part of the mystery change)
āMy main focus in this game is gear, the easier to get the betterā
āI enjoy calling people names instead of trying to understand why they care about different things than meā
āEveryone else who has a different opinion than me only cares about gear too (note that thereās a name for this: projection) and they only are posting because of how they use this gear.ā
Now to reply to this comment instead of breaking down what itās actually saying, your statements show the following:
- You play for gear and prefer that getting that gear is not time-consuming
- You donāt care about classic era keeping the āspirit of Vanillaā or how changes will impact the game long-term as long as you can meet your short-term self-driven goals.
- If someone has a different mindset than you there is no desire to understand that mindset because it is FAR easier to just attack.
Not that these opinions should matter because a self-centered desire to destroy the uniqueness of a game so that things can be easier should just be met with a āNoā but sadly Blizzard keeps catering to this crap. So now WoW of all versions is filled to the brim with players who will only do things if it can benefit them, with a complete focus on things like their gear and their parsing. So many of the players who just wanted a great MMORPG experience like how it was quit.
So you will probably get your way but weāll see. Really if the changes do destroy the āspirit of the gameā I blame the devs for it over the players.
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The entire reason the ranking grind exists is as a method to obtain gear
You dont need to be ārankingā in order to tryhard in premades, i joined tryhard premades just for fun all the time
So the main issue people have with the current pvp system is the insane requirements to get the mediocre gear.
People need to stop using the slippery slope fallacy to complain about every little change blizzard makes
Its fine if you have a problem with a specific thing blizzard is doing, but currently we have zero idea what the changes are, and people are throwing a fit and defending bad game design just because they are making a strawman about a hypothetical change blizzard MIGHT make and argueing under the premise that blizzard is going to make everything about pvp worse so we better not change the obviously bad parts 90% of people can agree is bad just in case blizzard also changes other stuff to
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He claimed the only thing that will come with the change is gear availability. You uncharitably interpreted that to mean he doesnāt care about anything else. He even disproves your nonsensical interpretation when bringing up the drop in PvP quality associated with it.
Thatās an amusing comment from a level 71 retailer.
You are demonstrating a profound lack of self-awareness for someone posting about projection.
Heal thyself.
Itās been those 9 weeks since this āAnnouncementā of an āAnnouncementā.
Any āupdateā? 
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Hello? Blizzard? Care to let us play pvp and rank again? Kinda stopping a whole branch of classic era for some of us in this limbo.
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Before I post this Iām going to admit I was salty when I wrote that and I have been trying to stay chill, especially since nothing official was announced. I kind of regret posting it but Iāve been tired of hearing the same thing over and over from people who read others perspectives and just donāt care.
I get that poster is probably just tired of getting rolled by those with more gear, but they said more than that, including just attacking instead of leaving it at āI need better gear to compete, and making getting that gear easier would help me so I hope this change helps meā. Thatās what they should have said if they werenāt just wanting to be a jerk. Itās made worse by seeing people do the same thing again and again.
I also remember having good conversations with you in the past Kayberz a long time ago so I do respect you. That poster who replied below you I donāt respect him or anything he says so I wonāt reply to any of that.
Maybe thatās true on a base level for many, but I never ranked for that personally (or I wouldnāt have ranked druid, lock, priest, hunter because the gear or them for raiding is meh, but I had fun PVPing with all of them). Never in the years Iāve played WoW, has one of my top 5 reasons been related to gear. Now thatās unique sure because I know itās more important than that to most, to the point where Iām happier when others get gear more than I am about getting my own, because I get a lot more joy from seeing their excitement, but itās hard for me to relate to those who only play for or think about that. Single-player games fit the gear obsession way better.
Agreed, but really getting to know the people in the premades is what helped this version of classic be what it was, for many PVP players anyway (the premades of TBC that I joined did NOT hit the same) if that part of the game (really getting to know the people you play with on a personal level, which is my #1 reason overall, and I know guilds are for this but I still have so many people I talk with and had/have plans to play with in fresh or whatever again since those classic premade days, and now thatās up in the air, thatās why Iām annoyed or I probably wouldnāt care because I donāt play Era either and am waiting on seasons or fresh with pvp) is taken away then I think the game loses some of itās āspiritā and itās not as if there are 30 other games out there or even two other versions of WoW, where you can get the same one. itās pservers if not this, and thatās it.
You are correct. Things could be fine. However, I donāt trust the devs because I was very and I mean VERY unhappy about how they handled tbc and Wrath. I quit that in March and am not over being upset about it. I made a huge list before I quit that. It was death by a thousand cuts. I donāt quit things easily.
So after watching Blizzard mess up thing after thing after thing and after watching 95% of the people I know who are really nice, giving, loyal and kind people quit and at the same time, seeing backstabbers who use others and even admit to abusing others in real life (and verbally online) being happy because they get their way has not been fun. Iām tired of these types of human scum being catered to by Blizzard over and over, while the very best people for MMOs, who make them a way better place, get driven to quit. Thatās what my post is about because I see the same āscummy personā attributes in some of these posters. So itās WAY beyond a slippery slope thing for me.
Also being honest, Iāve been going through a lot of bad stuff in real life. The potential of a āfun placeā taken away and turned into something else, filled with people I do not relate to at all, kind of sucks for me.
Sorry that went way deeper than I wanted it to, it was also meant for a few people who I really like on these forums while the rest will probably think this is a crazy post. Iāll try not to call out people again for liking what they like as we all do, but if you got this far and were open-minded enough to at least see why my opinions are what they are then thanks.
If I think that what Blizzard changes are good for the game I will say so as a reply to their blue post. The hardcore changes were fine imo.
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