Classes gutted

[Greganardo-wyrmrest-accord]

But hes quoting the guy talking about end game lol

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

You can find the community around too toxic and inaccessible without participating in it. The former turns you off from trying, and the latter prevents you.

[Quivermethis-rexxar]

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

There is more to the game than just the very top

Yea there are mythic 0s, 2s, 3s, 4s. Normal raid…

When you claim a thing is “toxic”, but you don’t even set a foot in the thing. Its dishonest.

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

Why can’t we have low APM melee/physical,

Have you ever played arms? You might want to try it. It is slow as molasses compared to the other high on speed melee DPS classes out there.

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

are the melee casters

What do you constitute as a melee caster? Is is a melee fighter who uses magic? In which case paladins, enhancement shaman, demon hunter, and to a lesser extent monks would qualify.

Also a melee caster defies the purpose of…well being a caster.

[Capulett-stormrage]

The problem with retail wow is class design.

Every spec has a million buttons that you have to tweak out on and spasm constantly to try to have fun. Can’t look at the boss art, can’t appreciate the room you’re in, you just gotta stay locked in to staring at your ability bar making sure you don’t mess anything up. It’s exhausting to do this for many hours and its so boring.

Its ridiculous the level that its gotten to, from DND where you roll one dice per turn, to now where you have to do 100 actions per second.

[Greganardo-wyrmrest-accord]

Na thats just forming opinions on incomplete information.

[Boredumb-alexstrasza]

@Netchrone-stormrage

Too many buttons

Survival?

Really?

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Spiralle-dalaran

I think the best move is to switch to BM

I hate BM with the fires of a thousand burning suns.

I’ll just shelve the Hunter like I did the Warlock and the Druid.

[Boredumb-alexstrasza]

@Fortuna-madoran

Which, as far as I know, people didn’t do, because Lone Wolf is more powerful.

Except that I did in solo content because having a pet tank > the damage bonus from MM.

[Akston-area-52]

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

One can be about the class being gutted of things that it had for years leaving it feel uncomfortably different. The other can just be about how there is too much mechanical busy-ness in the class as well.

I kind of destest how the game has devolved into either high APM melee/physical and slow casters. Why can’t we have low APM melee/physical, and high APM casters? Where are the melee casters, and more ranged physical DPS?

Part of the balance is that melee have quicker abilities to deal with movement of mobs, etc. While casters dont deal with the movement melee has to deal with.

[Raesteesdel-moon-guard]

@Felsavior-zuljin

Have you ever played arms? You might want to try it. It is slow as molasses compared to the other high on speed melee DPS classes out there.

It’s still like, 60 APM. Compared to Devoker at like, 36.

@Felsavior-zuljin

What do you constitute as a melee caster? Is is a melee fighter who uses magic? In which case paladins, enhancement shaman, demon hunter, and to a lesser extent monks would qualify.

A caster that fights in melee, exclusively. Low range spell casts. 10yd fireballs!

[Boredumb-alexstrasza]

@Capulett-stormrage

Every spec has a million buttons that you have to tweak out on and spasm constantly to try to have fun. Can’t look at the boss art, can’t appreciate the room you’re in, you just gotta stay locked in to staring at your ability bar making sure you don’t mess anything up. It’s exhausting to do this for many hours and its so boring.

So lets go back to spamming frostbolt as peak gameplay

[Capulett-stormrage]

Why would we throw away one extreme and go to another extreme, thats childish thinking

[Teethling-proudmoore]

It sounds like you don’t like the game or the community. Have you tried playing something else?

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

@Capulett-stormrage

Every spec has a million buttons that you have to tweak out on and spasm constantly to try to have fun.

Not really. Most classes have about 4-5 core rotational abilities with CDs, Defensives, and minor CDs (think odyns fury or what ever it’s called).

And if retail players wanted the painfully slow experience they would be playing classic.

@Capulett-stormrage

from DND where you roll one dice per turn,

Tell me you don’t play DND without telling me you don’t play DND.

[Capulett-stormrage]

@Felsavior-zuljin

Tell me you don’t play DND without telling me you don’t play DND.

How many actions per second do you personally do in D&D?

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

It’s still like, 60 APM.

No it’s really not. There are 6 core rotational abilities with cool downs mixed in. There aren’t even that many procs compared to something like fury.

It’s actually just as slow of not slower than devoker (depending on your build)

@Raesteesdel-moon-guard

A caster that fights in melee, exclusively. Low range spell casts. 10yd fireballs!

In which case we have the ones I listed for you earlier.

@Capulett-stormrage

How many actions per second do you personally do in D&D?

Rolling a hell of a lot more dice than 1 per turn. You are also comparing an apple to an oven. Two completely different things. DnD isn’t a videogame designed to have constant active inputs like wow.

There are numerous other games you could compare it to to try and make your poor analogy instead.

[Zitaska-aerie-peak]

@Akston-area-52

button bloat.

Both referring to hunters.

Shaman out of crosshairs

[Capulett-stormrage]

@Felsavior-zuljin

Rolling a hell of a lot more dice than 1 per turn.

How many actions per second do you do in D&D, just curious? You forum goers are the rudest people ive ever met

[Zitaska-aerie-peak]

@Quivermethis-rexxar

Posts like this are always comical because they are always made by people who don’t even do end game.

Playing the victim is GD’s favorite hobby lol