But this is what it ALWAYS boils down to.
Did you miss last season?
Bro if youre not worried about the meters or who kills the boss first, youre just a pathetic casual. Nothing wrong with that, but most people find it boring.
Sorry but if you think this is true then you haven’t seen Windwalker or Monk in general. Lowest played class with 2 of 3 specs often being bad at best. The least bad option is usually tank which is why the tank spec has been in so many race to world firsts… because it has the Monk debuff while sucking the least.
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I need some of whatever this guy is smoking
Assassin rogue is stupidly broken.
There’s no way this doesn’t get tuned down?
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This is rogue propaganda for sure.
Just did a high key with a Assassin rogue (with NO AUG) and he just absolutely crushed the meters.
If it wasn’t for massive pulls that we were doing and me timing my CD’s well then I would have gotten smoked in overall instead of topping at the end.
DH’s shine when there are lots of adds. But boss fights? Nope not happening unless the rogue messed up.
This raid tier has a lot of that which is inflating the numbers, looking at strictly boss damage you see DH is like top-middle not top 2.
If you find out, let me know; because it must be really good stuff. Far smarter shadow players than me left dissertations worth of feedback in the priest feedback thread and literally all of it was ignored.
Utility nerfed to ground, despite it basically being niche for that seasons M+
damage nerfed to ground
aoe non existent
They nerfed PI because of other classes instead of just reducing PI on your target but giving 100% to yourself. The utter incompetence of the people in charge of shadow is mind blowing at this point.
Anyone who played spriest knew we were going into this season a disaster, its unfortunate no one at Blizzard plays one.
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Hunters could use a BUFF!
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That data is going to be skewed until everyone has the new Tier Set. Tuning is based on the difference new tier makes.
Right now, many without, many 2 & 2, less then 50% with 4PC. They can’t possibly tune to the intermediary time between sets. That would be crazy.
To help make better sense of this, once every GETS T31(S3) 4 Set - There will be a shift, with some classes seeing DPS loss, as below:
SPEC 2P2P t31 (t31 new substats)
Elemental -5.00% 11.00%
Survival 0.20% 9.60%
MM Hunter 2.90% 9.50%
Subtlety 3.10% 7.70%
Fury 1.40% 7.40%
Arcane 2.90% 7.40%
Retribution 4.30% 6.90%
Balance 0.60% 6.00%
Enhanc -4.30% 5.50%
EnhaStm -0.30% 4.90%
Shadow 2.90% 4.80%
Affliction -1.50% 4.70%
Assassinat 0.60% 4.20%
Feral -1.40% 3.80%
Havoc 3.00% 3.00%
Beast Mast -2.60% 2.90%
Frost 1.30% 1.80%
Outlaw -0.50% 1.70%
Frost 0.70% 1.60%
Unholy -0.10% 1.50%
Devastation -1.70% 1.40%
Fire -2.40% -0.10%
Arms -2.20% -0.40%
Destruction -4.40% -0.50%
Demonology -2.10% -0.80%
Windwalker -3.30% -2.50%
Average -0.10% 4.10%
SIM Reports-Spreadsheet
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hqi4JwUkFVUjx-YGNdpzcNxXCJ12HWb6KTaiIorbSF0/edit#gid=2121198129
Hope this helps explain some of the DPS disparities at current.
Just got my 4PC and cant wait to run more Survival, again!
Lol they have a list, even if it’s not this week it’s going to be soon.
The nerf list is obviously:
Havoc
BM
Rogue
VDH
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Maybe in representation, but they are a strong tank. I just healed a 19 WM and we timed easily with a 461 brew tanking.
Is PVP balance on the radar?
The only reason mages are accepted in raids is because of our unique buff, that’s it. All 3 specs are super weak atm. In itself the core abilities of mages are too weak. We always depend on borrowed power to shine. How about if we start a patch with strong numbers? like at least one of the warlock specs does…
Then my alt is a shadow priest which is uber trash for mythic plus… pop all your cds and prepot and with luck you will be competitive against tank dmg in a large first pull. Please fix the pathetic psychic link. Can you please revert the nerf to the auto applied PI for priests? Make the base PI weak so you don’t have exodia/fun comps but give the priest it’s full power back…
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How WW have not changes yet? The spec is totally dead… im running all kind of builds and combinations of stats and to be honest dont make any sense… the tier set dont scale with nothing, i switch to 2p/2p to 4 new tier sets +400agi +380crit +298mastery and the damage still the same increased by 0,4% how this is possible, so much more attribute and the damage not scale? wtf is happenning? WW about more than 1 year as tagged like “dont invite class” i haven’t seen a ww in a world first in over 1 or more years and in 10.2 this became superrr ridiculous, besides the fact that mastery is super meme in ww, compared with other melees we have low range, low hp, the lowest aoe in big pulls, lack of GOOD defensives(base defensives and scaling) kharma is super weak in high end content(compared with cloack, faint, cheat death, AMS, life steal, spell reflect, vanish, faign death, turtle, immunes, even reincarnation) and etc, Please i think more than 1 year is time enough to calculate and see how weak and doomed WWs are, please we need someone to see that.
Edit.: ( 5 December 6%buff in ABILITY dmg, not passives, not mastery, not tier set): about 4% in all dmg rly?) The all problems with the class, weak scaling, trash tier set, defensives and lack of viability in high keys and high content(because so many bad things) the solution is 4%dmg buff? 
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hellou retri uptdates ?? tierset retri no working 100% plz fix this
Across all fights on Mythic:
- Rogue
- Hunter
- Warlock
- Demon Hunter
- Mage <<<=======
- Warrior
- Druid
- Shaman
- Death Knight
- Evoker
- Monk
- Paladin
- Priest
That’s not “super weak”.
THAT’S “super weak”.
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I don’t see you complain shadow being the god comp last season. Lol now you get all salty and QQ coz someone else is meta now.
Biggest issue with this list is it doesn’t show just how big the gap is between the top and bottom. For those that don’t know Shadow and WW can be among the top performers on a fight and still end up way behind.
I DONT DO MYTHIC PLUS WHY WOULD I CARE
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