Class Tuning Incoming - November 28

Hopefully we see some mage changes next reset. Fire mage especially needs to be looked at

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Damage buffs are a band-aid when the issues are baked into the spec itself.

I tend to agree.

They’re outmoded, clunky and slow.

At this point if you are not going to make warrior a competitive choice in M+ can we please just get a 3 meter range buff so we don’t have to be inside the circle on half the mobs in the game to be “in range”.

Oh and one handed tmogs over two handers since SMF will never be good. You know like we used to be able to.

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WW monks play another class blizzard is not going to read you. Dps graphics are always this imbalanced. There is no way to balance damage. If they change something always will be a class over another. Seasons getting different metas. That’s the way the game is. Tier is completely inconsistent in ww monks, procs depends on haste which is unreliable on monks.

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They need to do a complete pass on this for the whole game. There is no consistency with what the floor indicator shows and your range.

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It’s pretty egregious on warrior. My DH and Rogue can be a mile away and it’s no problem. Even though one uses daggers. Meanwhile my dude using two swords longer than his body can apparently only hit things with the cross guard.

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I said this very thing when I saw our bonus on the ptr. I hate using dimensional rift so much, not only does it disrupt my natural rotational flow, it just feels ick to get rid of a good talent for this.

Survival Hunters on life support.

Being happy the easiest dps by far is one of the top damage dealers is absolutely something you should be proud of.

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Yeah a valid point. Im an affliction main so Ill always be slightly biased, but easily my favorite warlock spec.

Still, I just dont understand blizzard’s logic. Demo was super fun to play in aberrus, but they made the only overperforming demo build be the most boring one to play. Every warlock I see is just so sad to be forced to play such an unfun build. Especially while they experienced fun in 10.1. Affliction is super fun right now but unplayable, and so it just hurts.

The reason I compare it to demo is because I was arguing what it would take to make aff competitive. Affliction realistically has to be within 4k dps of what any other warlock spec is to make it competitive. This same logic holds for all dps classes. Otherwise everyone will be forced into playing the best spec instead of situationally changing based on preference, where 4k seems to be a good margin of error that allows a good affliction lock to outperform a demo lock. Right now the worst demo lock in the world could smash their face into the keyboard and outperform me on affliction, despite me parsing full 99s as affliction. That is why affliction needs a 15% buff to even be competetive. Either that or a nerf to demo lock, but nerfing demo without nerfing assassination or havoc would be crazy right now.

This is very clearly stated from the perspective of someone who has never played affliction. Affliction is extremely bursty, but in a different way than other classes. The burst window only starts after the ramp up, so when all dots are placed about 10 seconds into the fight. After that, we become one of the burstiest classes hence the fact that affliction is one of the best PI targets in the game. Obv this does not apply right now because damage is so bad, but fundamentally affliction is very bursty, its just a delayed burst after all our dots are applied, and burst phases occur every 1 minute (30 seconds with tier set). Our main spender does damage based on how many dots the target has on it.

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100% agree. I rather have sustain and utility than massive ungabunga situational burst damage as enhancement shaman

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The frost dk changes did NOT make it to live servers. I haven’t looked for the other specs. Is this intended or an oversight?

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What you mean? Are servers back up already?

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Still waiting for Guardian tier fixing and buffs since you all love to forget we exist :)))))))))))

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I’m a Shadow Priest main.

Thank you for making me abandon the class I’ve been maining for 6 years with your artless, incompetent and directionless changes since 10.0.

“Ooo, we had half a season where despite being made into turret casters, we were S tier.” Yeah, clearly that’s the reason we deserve to now do no damage AND lose all our utility. And this tier, everything makes us move like crazy again and you forgot about us and the other classes who now do Zero freaking damage while moving…

Thanks for the 5% though. You clowns.

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Season of discovery can not come soon enough, blizzard literally killing retail.

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What should be telling is " why I wasn"t seeing many DH before "

They were at the very bottom of the dps chart previous season, and less than mid the season before. The class population was dwindling fast to the bottom since it was becoming more and more exhausting or useless to play

On the other hand, you have hunter, warrior, dk, mage, warlock, and even balance droods that were frequently on top of every charts in each expansion every single time and some of these classes even had specific weapons or legendaries reserved for them several expansion in a row.

At one point, if you want all the class to be played, or playable, you have to make this kind of counterbalance. DH got just ONE dps spec. If it’s bad, the class is bad, you have to reroll. Most of the others dps classes have a luxury to switch between several DPS spec when one become bad.

Dh is take or break. Leave this class alone. Advocate for more buff for existing underperfoming classes and that will be fine

( And TBH, running high keys as of now, I see many classes that can very much challenge DH dps wise, and not just hunt or rogue. Some classes takes more on their stats than the DH and when all will have their bis and sets, you’ll see the DH become less and less competitive because even with godly stuff it wont be enough to challenge said classes. Looking at you , fury warrior)

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It looks like the Feral regrowth buffs didn’t go through either.

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check again. a hotfix just came through and the fdk changes are live now.

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