Is this an early April fool’s joke?
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Blizz, do you just look at the idiotic weekly wowhead DPS charts and base Warlock nerfs on them alone? Seems as such.
Why are you doing this? It makes no sense.
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I agree with you on everything except the bugs being fixed. My haste on my demo warlock has intermittently changed 2 times this week, without being in a group and without any change in gear or consumables used. I don’t think they fixed it like they said they did.
None of these devs inspire confidence, I have no faith in them.
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The nerf to warlock is just so bad. It does not make any sense. BYEBYE WOW, I QUIT.
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Imagine instead of alternating certain abilities, you straight up just nerf 4% overall to the one of worst single target in the raid, makes no sense to nerf MM this way.
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I have learned its just best to level a warrior since blizzard just makes them top tier
@Blizzard - Can you please provide some additional context on these NERFs, as you can see by the feedback, and even lack of trolls, not many in the community quite understand the logic/data behind the requirement of these nerfs. RET pally in PvP, makes sense. A little much, but understandable. WLs/ MM&Surv Hunter/ Frost DK makes no sense at all.
Show some sign you are acklowledging the sub paying customer’s concern? I mean - should we all just start filing tickets and jamming up Live Chat/ Customer Service to for more details? Pretty sure it’s just easier to provide more context in the forum on these changes. ( What data was used to justify/substaniate, etc. Were the current bugs in play on these classes considered as impacting inflated metrics? To that note, seems those BUGs aren’t even properly fixed, yet.)
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I’m not sure where the “overperformance” of Survival is being displayed. Looking at raid statistics/warcraftlogs since the patch (which is only a few days of data) survival is firmly in the middle of all dps specs. While survival is doing competitive pure-single target numbers, a fight like Terros is much less of an outlier than a fight like Primal Council, where survival is last by a sizeable margin.
Survival is already struggling for raid viability and this greatly nerfs the ONLY thing the spec is good at. Our ST is great, but our AoE capabilities are some of the worst in the game. I’m worried for the viability of Survival, as it is a spec taking up a melee slot, bringing no raid buff, has poor AoE, and now has greatly nerfed single target (the only strength of the spec).
Does Mongoose Bite do a lot of damage? Currently, yes, because both the 2-piece and the 4-piece bonus of our current tier set both buff Mongoose Bite by a LARGE amount. I would understand if some of the damage was compensated by buffing our AoE abilities, but a blanket ST nerf like this has me concerned.
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You’ve given developer notes on the other classes that got nerfed but no notes on why hunters got nerfed, let alone why Survival got the largest nerf of all specs when we aren’t even the strongest. I could maybe understand tuning down BM and SV a little bit in only single target because they were simming high but you targeted abilities that also nerf their AoE without any compensation. BM isn’t overperforming, and SV is the worst AoE class and yet you nerfed SV’s AoE also with this nerf.
This nerf to mongoose bite puts us back to pre 10.0.5 buff and it would be understandable to maybe nerf it a little bit because we caught a free 3% buff with the raszageth bow change. I also don’t understand why you’re targeting the ability instead of the tier set because the tier set is the only reason we’re doing any damage in ST. This is just setting us up to be really weak in 10.1 when we stop wearing Storm Harrier. Coming out of shadowlands you had the same pattern where you nerfed bombs by 50% (Guerilla Tactics halved and removing rank 2 bomb damage) because the tier set was giga-broken and now bombs aren’t even worth pressing in ST unless you have absolutely nothing else to fill a GCD. It even took doubling the damage of bombs on the T30 4p to make them usable.
A 5% nerf to the T29 2p tier bonus would be a much more reasonable nerf to take away the 3% buff we got from Serpent Sting and Death Chakrams, and then buff our AoE in some way as compensation for nerfing our AoE, which I will remind you again, is at the very bottom. It would be especially prudent to compensate the AoE because the 2p affects Butchery. Please stop carving power from our abilities when it’s the tier sets that are the problem.
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Everything said here is solid, but on top of all of it - I dont understand how we are nerfing a spec that is good, but certainly not an egregious outlier on 1 niche (single target) while said spec is also laughably unpopular.
Seriously, Surv is consistently among the lowest played specs on Warcraftlogs and has been every tier since its been melee minus Shadowlands S3/S4 bomb shenanigans.
Such a bummer to have competitive single target damage that might get you a raid spot just to have it nerfed while Havoc is a 100% mandatory for competitive raiding even if it was undertuned just for the magic debuff - feels bad for the 12 Survival players still sticking around.
If you arent going to give Survival decent AoE or some form of raid utility to make people want to bring one to raid, leave the single target as is and let Surv be a boss slayer.
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Is Demo seriously getting nerfed over bug skewed parse and testing data? Those nerfs and the logic behind them are absolutely asinine after the bug fixes came through on live but still exist on the PTR. The bugs skewed the data as it made Warlocks overperform on day 1 live data and PTR test data but that data doesnt reflect Demo’s actual performance post fixes.
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Yeah love how this stuffs still bugged on PTR and they’ve been still tuning us around it this whole time.
Cant wait to be an even bigger mess when 10.1 launches after months of being built around class bugs paired with PI.
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Nerfing the hunter, what’s the reason? the person who takes care of the hunter balance must be a comedian.
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Its just so confusing because the nerfs don’t make any sense unless that’s the data they’re using to make this determination. But if they are using that data, why didnt they realize that they also just pushed through a pretty decent damage nerf in the bug fix, even if it’s not on PTR yet? Live parses pre and post fix are greatly different.
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Do you guys even play your own game? Basing nerfs off bugs is absolutely insane
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Some of the nerfs to affi seem fair. the 2 percent aura buff. i dont understand the grimoire of sac nerf tho. it cost a talent point so it should be an upgrade from your pet. Also the dark glare nerrfs seems to heavy handed and to early.
Also why nerf demo? its not over performing in mythic plus and is barley ahead a number of fights in WCL anyways. it wasn’t dominating anything really.
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considering half of their support pages on their website tell you to go to wowhead for bug help speaks volumes.
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Demonic Strength likely needed a power budget shuffle, I get it was a very strong talent for demonology. But hitting it (and losing tier) in 10.1 will make Demo AOE pretty lack luster. If demo had better aoe talents (Implosive potential would be great) then it would be fine, but it’s not like Demo was dominant on fights outside of burst aoe (Which Devoker does better anyway)
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so sad… was feeling " a bit like playing a real Myth+ with BM hunter, and not being the last one as dps. not at the top but was here nearly with others dps." i really dont understand who make these changes for real…
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What a joke, nerfing the hunter one more time, they buffed then got nerfed, then buffed back for the same percent that they did the nerf, few days ago, they buffed hunter again, and now they did nerf once again a 4% for the MM? what a joke, at this point, I do not know why do we have a PTR and waste our time giving feedback.
One day you wake up and get invited to 20+ keys without your food and phial buff expiring, the next day if you’re lucky you can get invited to 2-3 20+ keys in 6 hours it is insane.
BUt the good news is that the Dual Monitor allows playing another game while queueing for a M+.
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