Class Tuning Incoming – September 24

any chance for a buff?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-nerub-ar-palace-dps-rankings-mythic-opening-week-346826

Eternity Surge is not the problem. Hover is the problem. Fix Hover.

This won’t be good enough, it will still be broken.

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Can I ask when Shadow Priest will actually receive some changes other than these insignificant 4% damage buffs that will not make a dent in anything. Lowest overall in Mythic raid by a mile. Full Bis Sims still put it lower than a heroic geared classes. Would love to understand the reasoning behind these changes the spec has been getting that have no benefit. 6% prior made no difference we actually ended up even lower on the totem poll and now 4%. 10% overall increase does nothing followed by nerfing Psychic link by 5% which is 1 of a few things that helps the spec do anything in keys or raid

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It’s amazing to me that ya’ll seem to not play your own freakin game. L2balance.

I think that’s a good Rampant Ferocity change from a feel standpoint.
Feral things I’d like to see:

  • Give us our range back, or at least some of it. There are so many situations where being melee is awful. It was fun having another option besides Ret Pally that was still fun to play in melee range without needing to climb inside an enemies hitbox 100% of the time.
  • Still want better energy regen. We tried. I don’t like the change. It’s not fun. Yall are gonna make me play Ret Pally cause it’s actually fun to play and I hate paladins thematically man.
  • There are too many berserk talents in the spec tree. The tree is so starved. Combine some of these things so we can actually spend our points on more interesting things.
  • Convoke should really be in the class tree. Every spec has it as an option, why not just stick it in the class tree. I’d like to be able to run Incarn for trash w/o losing all my single target burst for bosses.
  • The mod talent for Incarn is super uninteresting. Let us knock some time off the CD so we can send it on AOE packs without gimping ourselves on every boss.
  • Let players decide if they want a slower bleed focused build or to focus on bite via the talent tree.
    • Feels like you guys are cramming this playstyle down our throats… and not everyone wants it. Let us decide on the talent tree. Not everyone hated Bite builds. Let us pick between Rampant Ferocity and Rip and Tear or something.
  • Ravage on Auto attack procs sucks. Druid of the Claw is still really disappointing. Buff the talent that gives us an empowered Mangle? Make it Cleave and proc more often? Make it easier to track? Give us more stuff to do in Bear form. Bear Weaving is cool
    • Go make a low level druid right now, and tell me that it isn’t fun jumping between cat form and bear form to kill stuff when bear form does good damage… that could be the fix to energy regen right there! Would be sick.

The game just isn’t fun to play when you’re waiting around on energy, for any energy class. I get we gotta make resource management a thing… but it’s gotta be better than “Nah, just wait.”

The slower playstyle gameplay doesn’t work when the pace of the game isn’t slow. Like I can’t make the tank go slow for me cause I gotta wait for energy… so the tank goes fast and I gotta twiddle my thumbs before I can participate on the next pack? Come on… I don’t care if it’s TF resets or what. We need something other than “Wait till S4 so you can have enough haste to press your buttons”

I don’t care about the numbers, I want the playstyle to be fun in M0’s and M+ like it was in S1 Dragonflight. Feral was so fun. Yall got me spending more time on Ret right now. :confused: Not what I wanted for this expansion at all.

spriest needs better aoe big time. pls do something abt it.

nothing for prot warriors again?

Bruh. In a delve the other day, my trinket healed more than all of my other spells combined. You can’t tell me we aren’t broken.

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I didn’t say we aren’t in a bad spot, lol. How did you interpret that from my comment?

Worst mobility in game

Least amount of PvP talents which 2 of them don’t work

Zero gap closers. Who else has zero?

Forbearance. What classes can’t play together or can’t use defensive CD’s back to back?

All of these in modern wow no longer fit and are in desperate need of an update

Performing poorly in raids. Near the bottom

No single target damage and just nerfed aoe

Shield only provides 10% which is likely an oversight and should be 20%

How to fix without making drastic changes?
Undo some of the PvP specific nerfs. Even in doing that you still have no gap closer, no mobility, and can be CC’d

Buff FV. Why spender hit like builder? I’m guessing this was overlooked. This likely needs 20% buff to get in line with other classes

Small 4% all damage increase across the board.

Self heals didn’t scale with new expansion and with HP pools being 5-7m. Healing for 250k doesn’t cut it

There’s 14 ret paldins jn the top 1000 of 3v3

Make the spec viable with getting rid of some PvP specific nerfs. That still means we have no mobility. But can at least have self sustain

I’ll say we likely need some small nerfs in PvP alongside DK’s

That would bring more balance in across the board so every spec would feel viable. Would still be incredibly strong but casters and melee would both feel better and it’d be a win for everyone

It’d be nice to see matches that aren’t 80% locks/dk’s and have a little variety as well

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Mythic+ Brew’s: :fire: This is fine… :fire:

I literally just want to be able to use my major cooldown as Boomy (Fury of Elune) on the last boss of one of our CURRENT M+ DUNGEONS.

Class tuning be damned; you have classes that are effectively locked out of certain dungs/bosses due to bugs that have been known for months.

  • Shaman
  • Enhancement
    • [With realm restarts] With 2 stacks of Tempest available, Primordial Wave will now cause you to cast additional Lightning Bolts as intended, instead of casting additional Tempests.

Just going to point out that this is a double edge sword. With RF how it currently is, you could stand on the outside of the danger pack/mechanic and still benefit from AoE. Now this is going to cut out half of the targets hit from being a good player and not standing in bad.

10 percent for BM isnt enough. We really need the devs to play the class. 90 percent of M+ is trash and you gutted our ability to do them realistically. Yes we do good on ST bosses. But so does everyone else. Even my Destro Warlock’s AoE does more than my BM hunter. I last played wow in BFA and BM was great. What happened?

If A.I. was actually doing the tuning it wouldn’t be as busted as it is now.

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Don’t touch prot warrior… Don’t touch prot warrior… Don’t touch prot warrior… YES!!

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Spriest AoE is great, what they need is 2 charges of shadow crash

Pvp specific nerfs are on everything passive or pressed from heals to damage and even most pvp talents are nerfed 50-80% of what they were in SL for Rets. Again, its not even that there needs to be massive changes for PvP. Its that with the direction WoW has gone. Some of these no longer need to be nerfed. There is no way you can look and see 14 rets in the top 1000 in 3v3 arenas and think there isnt things that need to be fixed. Most fixes can be done in 2 minutes.