another bufs a nothing for dhs, they realy want stop to play this class its a joke. no one wants a dh havoc on their keys in pvp our damage is a joke it’s like they really want to eliminate this class.
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Nerfs to everything else is a buff to us. Slowly but surely we will make our way back to the top.
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Exactly the same situation we had back in Vault.
Havoc is only good at doing 40s/2min AoE burst on adds that die in 3 seconds.
Because the raid is full of encounters like this, statistics are completely fake, and mostly everyone that is in charge of balance only looks at “All bosses”.
Reality? Look at ANY ST boss and see where Havoc is at. You want to see sustained AoE performance? Go to M+ and decently high.
I’m sure you’ll find someone that will say “but kill times are bad” or “mechanics kill DPS”. Yup bud, I’m sure something that affects every boss and in 95th percentile is surely related to that. I wonder if Havoc doing tank damage outside of CDs has something to do with it.
We get another Aberrus after this and Havoc is sitting with tanks on All bosses.
Our most direct comparison is to Warrior. They’re getting 8/6% ST buffs AND AoE buffs. They were never nerfed to be below DH AoE performance.
The spec is going to be in the absolute gutter come next week.
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Exactly why I think we’ll never get any changes 
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DH been so OP in DF that people want to see them suffer.
I wouldn’t hold my breath prior season 2 for DH buff.
[Focused Hatred] is so bad now, you guys reduced the damage by 10% per target hit which makes it useless now, it needs to be reverted back. (if i need to explain to you that in pvp or pve there is always more than 1 target that should explain itself.) it did way more damage before this change.
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Except that’s not what’s happening. If you look, they’re actually buffing the classes lower than us on ST(Lock, and Warrior). So, next week we will officially be the worst DPS in the game 
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You don’t know how to read.
Demonsurges now, at two targets, for example, deal 40% increased damage. They dealt 0% before this change.
This goes up to 5 targets, where it gets back to 0%.
Before the changes, if you had more than 1 target, you’d deal 0% increased damage. It’s a buff in 2-4 target situations.
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dh havoc op in df? was “op” just 2 first weeks s2 then nerfed. that season evo aug mage and druid/lock druis tank was in all hight keys.
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no it does not, i know how to read and the way it works now is if it hits more than 1 target it reduces the damage by 10% each target hit which means LOWER DAMAGE OVERALL…i play the class dude and iv played both…(its either a bug or its just a nerf) also you say its a buff but its not because it actually does nothing because there is always more than 1 target… do you play the game?
Don’t spread misinformation
You know how to read but your comprehension is lacking. He is right, you are wrong.
That being said, DH definitely needs some attention but this wasn’t a nerf and was a 2-4 target buff conpared to how it was working.
The original version of focused hatred had it ONLY do 50% more damage if your demonsurge was only hitting one target, and if there was ever a second target it would do zero bonus damage. As you have pointed out:
but that (should) only apply to the bonus 50% damage from focused hatred. You now have to go to 5 targets for the talent to stop giving bonus damage, instead of the previous version that turned off at 2 targets. It goes +50>40>30>20>10>0, instead of the old +50>0. It’s a buff to cleave.
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Exactly the kind of feedback I get from people on here whenever I mention needing some QoL changes for DH ect… “oh shut up you were busted all of DF so sorry you’re mid tier now” bro we got 1 fukin dps spec have some respect people lol
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Vengence was OP in mythic + and Havoc was so OP in PvP that people just don’t care that havic didn’t had its time under the sun in PvE.
i am not wrong level 60 dragon you dont even play this exp…i on the other hand have played it and the talent is jacked now.
so tired of this class being bad because neckbeards need all non vanilla classes to be bad so we dont break their immersion
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You keep going on about this.
Show the numbers. If it is in fact bugged it needs to be fixed.
Saying it’s jacked is not proof.
the proof is a player that plays the game daily, it did more damage before they nerfed it. you are level 70 maybe get into the new expansion and play some?
That is not proof. I am not at home so I can’t test, but go to the dummies and see how much demon surges do on one target and then two targets.
Report the numbers.
I don’t know why you are being snarky about this to me, I am just asking for data.
As I have said to you twice: if it’s a bug let’s report it and get it fixed ASAP.
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