Class Tuning Incoming – October 29

[Arianniel-illidan]

@Demoncouch-malganis

any changes for dh arena at all? they are nearly extinct in shuffle and all arena brackets. The numbers support they are performing worse than all the specs you are buffing in pvp.

100% agree.

[Eärlindë-ravencrest]

Literally just making random changes each time. There is no rhyme or reason to this. 20 years of guessing and you all still don’t get it.

[Zenrikku-kiljaeden]

Buffs affliction damage PVE but PVP is out of the question. rip

[Daarrk-thrall]

@Kaivax

Upon further review, we have made the following updates to the class tuning coming tomorrow:

Hopefully you revisit these bm hunter changes too. Bm is about to be worse than both sv and mm in ST and in AoE.

[Joftokal-ghostlands]

Whew so glad ele shamans are being straight up nuked, like why even make the class changes just to make them crap a week later. Starting to question why i even bother to sub anymore.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

@Kaivax

We regularly make combat design adjustments

No, no you don’t. No changes usually happen during mdi or rwf. The classes will still be busted.

[Lemondrip-area-52]

Not bad, but 1m to 1.4m is where paladin is sitting.

[Peexify-area-52]

fr? paladins sit at 1mil overall deeps?
gawddamn

BLIUZZARD GIVE ME SOME BUFFS WTF

[Allex-khadgar]

Why they think they need to nerf Hunter is crazy. I’d like to see the players they are looking at because they aren’t in M+ with me.

[Reapermac-proudmoore]

@Kaivax

• Paladin
  • Lightsmith: Blessed Assurance now increases Crusader Strike’s damage by 40% in PvP combat (was 120%).

Looks like y’all forgot to put the ‘PvP’ tag on this because it’s 40% for PvE as well.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

No surprise. Quality this go is non-existent.

[Sphinxyii-lightbringer]

The hunter nerfs to beast are ridiculous. Especially pack leader.

[Kaivax]

We’ve updated the OP here to reflect a final value that has gone live for this change:

• Warrior
  • Fury
    • Execute damage increased by 7% 10%.

Additionally, some players may have briefly seen a mistake with Mortal Strike being increased by 30%. We corrected that to the expected 15% increase.

[Valerrie-thrall]

Nerf elemental

[Bertimus-sargeras (Bertimus)]

Kaivax,

There is still something very wrong with aimed shot, rapid fire, and arcane shot damage in PvP. The spells seemed to launch with the correct values last Tuesday. Rapidfire and Aimed were correctly only doing about 20% less than before the patch against players. When y’all implemented the hotfix for phantom pain, it also heavily nerfed aimed, arcane, and rapid.

It’s impossible to say from my end that it’s by exactly the amount of their pvp modifiers, but that’s the closest approximation that I can come to from my end. It really seems like there is something preventing those multipliers from being applied against players. It might be something completely unrelated to the modifiers, and the mods still seem correct in the spell data dump. Damage is still significantly lower than pvp tooltip/expected pvp output. Please look into it. I’ve submitted a bug report in-game, made a thread on the bug report section of the forums, and have not been able to gain traction so far. People are sitting the spec in PvP right now because of it.

[Broxikor-nemesis]

@Kaivax

Warrior

• Fury
  • Execute damage increased by 7% 10%.

Arms execute will be 10%?

[Aaravós-proudmoore]

How was mage not on this list?! All three specs rotations have been completely changed (for the worst) and all knocked down to the bottom half of the dps rankings. Literally what are you guys even doing?!?!

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Eninya-malganis

Sadly, these buffs were not enough to save me from getting benched on Mythic Silken Court, after the nerfs already caused me to get benched on Mythic Ky’veza.

Thanks, Blizzard, for unnecessarily nerfing my class ~8-9 times in a row. I’m sure the only reason I was even in on the Broodtwister re-kill was because our Prot Warrior plays BDK (for double) on that fight.

Why does warrior get completely obliterated by nerfs the moment RWF is over when DPS warrior performs well? You did it in HFC, Sanctum of Domination, Amirdrassil (you waited until S4 to punish us), and now in Nerub’ar Palace.

I’m curious how the players on the bench while you were in felt being on the bench.

[Thobelnei-garrosh (Thobelnei)]

I pretty much play solo. Constantly smashing single target BM damage is just starting to make me hate this expansion. Delves with the mobs with 15-20 million HP scattered around, I can feel this nerf. I don’t even know how it works anymore with all of the changes the last few weeks. Kill command base does less damage now than it did when I was ilevel 580-- sometimes. The damage is so wonky I get anything from 70k to 1 million damage from it… Normally on the low end of that.

Those big mobs and bosses at the end take a longer to kill, but groups of smaller HP mobs die a little faster… But the change isn’t near even. RNG is now a huge part of how long it takes to kill stronger mobs.

I’m beginning to wish Hunters would get a 20% damage buff for soloing that just turns off against world bosses, in PvP and when grouped so all these tweaks that are obviously for raid and PvP parity quit making it feel so craptastic for people who don’t even consume that content.

Oh and now that BM hunters are being turned to be AoE centric, it makes delves a complete cluster when Kill Shot pulls in all kinds of extra mobs. Nothing like taking a few surprise Sporebits to the face every 15 seconds or so when trying to kill a boss, or a few mobs in the chops… And it’s inconsistent. 3 mobs can be close together and Kill Shot will only hit one. Or I can trigger it and a shot goes way off in the distance and pulls something. Oh yeah, and if you’re going to make BM AoE centric, for the love of God, make the CD on Misdirection reset when cast on pets again to counter all of these new oddities. At the very least. Even with all the pet cleave the pets don’t hold aggro well on multiple targets.

[Furrylover-ragnaros]

@Kaivax

Restoration

• Call of the Elder Druid’s duration increased to 15 seconds (was 10 seconds).
• Dream of Cenarius now causes Wrath and Shred to transfer 100% (was 50%) of their damage done into healing and Starfire and Swipe to transfer 50% of their damage done into healing (was 33%).
• Developers’ notes: We’re looking to increase the playability of Dream of Cenarius, as the window for Heart of the Wild is a bit too short to be meaningful and the upside of this talent has not yet been worth it.

What if instead of doing that…
We make the finishing moves count?
Make Rip and Ferocious Bite count towards healing with Cenarius’s Dream.
It would be more useful than that, come on devs, it’s not difficult.