Based on what has been done by folks over on Earthshrine (the shaman discord), we are looking at 24% in Single Target alone (looks like Aug Evokers will do more damage than elemental) and probably 16 or 17% in AoE, could be more or less depending on pull size. There are also bugs still in Ascendence so if/when that gets fixed, its another hit as well.
I really hope y’all look over this and revert several of the nerfs to Elemental. All of the nerfs to bring down AoE kill our single target. The dev note comes across as a slap in the face as, as all of these changes to me indicate there is no plan or goal for the class, because if you did, this never would have went live.
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Evoker cast times are too long. This is fundamentally unfun.
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Your comment makes no sense, what’s wrong with fistwwaver? if you can’t explain it don’t worry about it, your clearly a waste of time
What do you think the issues are? Serious question
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Why the hell would you nerf HPAL in pvp when we’re literally the worst healer next to Resto?
I am so happy I canceled my sub. Screw you guys.
- Paladin
- Holy
- Developers’ notes: Holy Paladins’ mana has been plentiful enough to use Beacon of Virtue more often than we would like throughout a raid encounter. We would like the use of Beacon of Virtue to influence mana decisions more heavily.
- Beacon of Virtue now costs 5% base mana (was 4%).
- Holy Shock now costs 2.8% base mana (was 2.6%).
I GO OOM SO MUCH WHAT DO YOU MEAN BLIZZARD?
WHOEVER is working on the classes needs to be FIRED.
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Yep. Had to cancel sub. I won’t be back. This game is dead. Christ MEtzen isnt as great as people thought.
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I agree. Prot and hpal are the ones that need love, ret itself needs a SERIOUS look at.
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Amen bud. I absolutely agree. Canceled mine to. Blizz can go away into my previously played games drawer.
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Whatever you’re using for data. Is wrong. I’m sorry, it is. GO actually play the class as an hpal and prot pally and you would IMMEDIATELY fight against these changes.
I canceled my sub. I’m done. Horrible game that frustrates me is a game I shouldn’t be paying for.
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Over 300 replies and as I thought no one at this company gives a sh*t about us…
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Can Blizzard just fire everyone involved in touching the Hunter class and just hire Azortharion to do it because you’ve proven time and time again you are too incompetent, have no idea how your own game works and cannot be trusted to not screw everything up.
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So these changes actually come out to a 2% AoE nerf to Pack Leader and only a 1% AoE increase for Dark Ranger. Is anyone actually crunching numbers on these changes there? This is the second time recently where a goal has been stated and your changes don’t actually achieve that goal with BM hunter, not to even mention other classes and specs.
Also, stop buffing Multishot for BM. We only press it to keep up Beast Cleave. That’s it. Even after the 300% buff it is still a miniscule part of our damage profile. Buffing it by 100% again does basically nothing.
I also find it very odd that you’re making nerfs to BM and MM when SV is the best hunter spec currently in raid and M+.
It really doesn’t seem that you guys know what you’re doing and it is getting incredibly frustrating for us players.
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Why are all dps classes supposed to do similar damage while some classes have superior utilities or survivability like paladin and death knight? Paladin is like Blizzard’s pet class that attracts customers and brings most of their subscriptions. All classes should have comparable utilities if they are supposed to be balanced in dps.
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As a Sin rogue I appreciate Blizzard’s talent for stealing stuff away. Like my hope for my class. Bravo
As much as I agree that this set of nerfs seems a little big to drop all at once (it’s going to end up underperforming with no hotfix buff afterward, I bet), I don’t think Ele was in a bad spot before the rework. The design was bad so I get why a rework was probably needed, but I didn’t have trouble getting invites to keys I was qualified for, and I was top DPS in… every single one of them (Mostly working the 8 to 10 range).
Which I guess is why I am also dreading this.
I don’t really care if I have to shift stats around again. I can make that work, as annoying as the waste of gold is and having converted a piece to tier that I otherwise wouldn’t have already.
But I don’t want to be nerfed vs what we were BEFORE the rework. That feels bad. That’s what I’m worried about. It sucks to get a rework that ends up OP and then end up in the freaking ground over it. I’d rather not have the rework and stick with the degenerate lightning bolt spam version of the spec.
(That said, Shaman Discord thinks we won’t be abandoning mastery so we might be okay on that front at least)
Don’t hate. Not a good look.
Punch up not down! Warriors are garbonzo 
beans homie.
Elemental: Looking at wcl statistics in heroic where the vast majority of players play, and a single target boss like Sikran. Ele is 11th in dps right in the middle of the pack and under devastation, retribution, arcane. This also includes data pre-LR nerf. Data post-LR nerf is even worse.
I can understand a nerf to aoe but a 10% nerf to single target (potentially 17% if ascendance bug gets fixed) is completely unacceptable. When have we ever seen tuning that says “All damage reduced by 17%” for a class that is performing upper middle? Never. Aoe nerfs are even larger in magnitude. This is after we lost cdr on defensives and utility.
It’s almost as if the hotfix team (LR nerf 3% single, 10% aoe), the tuning team (10% single, 20% aoe) and the bug fix team (1% LR, 7% ascendance) are all working separately and have zero communication with each other.
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i did a 4 or 6 NW (i forget which) a few days ago with a 586 ret. he did just over 1M dps overall. absolutely insane.
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