Yes, thank, you finally. A very boring change but still appreciated. Now we can maybe compete with heavily intoxicated hunters!
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I guess we will see how it all shakes out.
Absolutely dreading hero talents for DK when they get these kinds of patch notes and there is no rework on the table. I wish there would be some clarity here as to why certain other classes are getting large amounts of tweaking but Frost DK is only getting a base % change for PvE. It’s no good leaving the player base in the dark with a class that is statistically poorly represented due to poor balance and unfun mechanics.
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Can’t wait to see the other half of the changes you’re giving us for Frost Death Knights. Obviously there’s no way that this does anything remotely meaningful, and is just a placeholder line for all the ~20% buffs to abilities just like Ret got, right? A spec that out preforms Frost in literally every single way definitely didn’t just get numerous larger buffs for no discernable reason.
At this rate, my alt is going to over taken my main despite a 15-20ilvl disadvantage.
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HOLY PALADINS ALREADY CANT SURVIVE. WHERE’S OUR FIXES?!@?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Also AURAS ARE USELESS!
I didnt say anything about others being buffed.
You asked why r sham and h priests got buffed and r druids didnt (edit : didnt as much I mean)
I explained.
I didn’t ask anything. I said I was surprised they weren’t, and then explained why I felt that way, then said that rdruid and hpal deserve throughput buffs. You came in saying that rdruid was stronger in M+, and I clarified I was talking about raid. Then you said that rdruid is brought more than rshaman to raids.
None of that addresses the weak throughput druids have compared to other healers.
Once again.
I never said anyone else shouldnt be buffed.
You’re right, you never said “rdruid and hpal hps shouldn’t be buffed”
You just “explained” your opinion about why they’re not, which apparently boils down to representation in keys and raid.
You said this.
I explained that there is more going on than just your raid HPS being looked at.
But please throw another insult my way that completely ignores the topic, or make up words I said.
Yes, and my complaint was about… our raid HPS being weak. Obviously there was more than our raid HPS being looked at for these changes, which is why our raid HPS wasn’t buffed.
Your points are extremely weak, though, considering that you brought up our raid buff when all other healers except resto shaman also have raid buffs. MW and disc are equally as strong and represented in M+, yet allowed to be much stronger in raid for whatever reason.
Also, don’t pretend like I’m the one that started insulting you or acting in bad faith when you were being rude and abrasive, and very clearly making bad faith arguments by accusing me of backpedaling when I brought up mark… Grow some self-awareness. I’m fine with someone clearly clueless in the area I’m talking about trying to “explain” something to me despite you not actually raiding at a decent level in order to care about this stuff, but when you get rude about it, you should probably expect the same treatment.
I will reiterate my point though: The only value resto druid brings, aside from raid buffs that most healer specs also have, is throughput. We have no raidwide DR, our utility is poor compared to every single other healer in the game(mostly just roar since every raid has several brezzes now), and we don’t do as much damage as other healers. This has been understood for a long time to be true, so I have no idea who the people are that are suddenly denying that resto druid is a pure throughput healer, but you’ve been dancing around acknowledging that in every single reply so far.
A pure throughput healer should not be 3rd from last on HPS throughput, with holy priest being below us and getting substantial buffs which will likely make us 2nd to last on throughput, better than only holy paladins-- and still worse than resto shamans who were already better.
This is without considering heroic raid, where we’re dead last.
There is no reason to bring a resto druid to raid unless you need mark of the wild, simply because other healers just perform better in throughput while also having additional benefits in both utility as well as better healing profiles (in the case of MW and disc). I don’t know why you’re arguing against someone who’s saying that all underperforming healers should be brought up to the top performers level in the first place tbh, but considering the trend of other healers simply not liking resto druid when it’s good due to them being on top of the healing meters typically, I’ll have to assume it’s just that.
The number of players isn’t relevant when wanting to know the limits of a spec, only the best (the top) players can show you those.
Johnny Awesome won’t show you what a WW Monk is capable of with his “37” parse.
Blizz looks at top data to establish the limits of a spec, having the same capacity for dps regardless of spec is the goal to have.
Ret is actually below Frost and UHDK at 95%, where the top of the line performances are.
So ret is lower capable than the DK specs now.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#sample=7&dataset=95
Those buffs aren’t actually a 20% increase to aoe and st, they are somewhere between 5-8% on ST and AOE (goes lower the more static dmg stuff you have like aug or signet trinkets or lego). The buffs for all the specs should put them roughly at the same performance capacity in the end.
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Can evokers get some love? sheesh. devo needs it
are you ok brother lmfao
Was the guy in charge of guardian druid last season reassigned to ret paladin or something?
At times I wonder if posting these changes is even necessary and worth it. It just turns into a thread of players complaining that X class/spec doesnt deserve a buff, and/or their class/spec is the one that needs a buff. Or the buff their class/spec is not enough. Then they start insulting devs and the balance team. Then conspiracy theories about balancing only for the 1% of players, or that they only balance the specs that they play.
It is just ridiculous. And I am not innocent. I complained in this very post that the seesaw buffs and nerf to Shadow have been frustrating. And I dont think my post was necessary. And readying the replies in the post, I dont think that they should allow comments in these posts. It is just a ugly state of behavior in them.
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The only thing wrong is silence, this thread it is for anything else for the feedback, here is the place to be vocal about something that you dont like, fells unecessary or necessary. like the over the top buff for Ret, the lack of buffs for some classes that feels abandoned for the balance team and such. It is the silence that is bad and do something about it is what you have to do, now if you dont have the guts for it just dont roll the thread.
i’ll give my own feedback, thanks for the shadow buffs, especially the 20% buff to Apparitions, step in the right direction for our M+ considering we’re going back to a tier set with apparitions in mind next season!
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Just proving my point. Couldnt let it be. Complaining that Ret got a buff which the theory crafters say may be 5% single target an 3% AoE. And that classes feel abandoned.
Nothing constructive about your post. Just complaining that a class got buffed over others. Contributing nothing more that some anger and vitriol.
I would venture a guess that these buffs are meant for the upcoming S4 Tier bonuses. Where they are aligned with the tier bonuses voted on.
I would like to see Destro Lock get two Charges of flashover for conflag. So that the class doesnt feel so slow. But there are fundamental things wrong with the spec. Cataclysm being made baseline. Buff Fire and Brimstone and have that be the choice node rain of fire, or something like that.
Affliction I feel needs a rework. There are times where it feels good. When you are blasting AoE and getting Shards from the initial Vile Taine Agony Spread. But Malefic Rapture doesnt feel good as a spender. For a spec around DoTs, the DoTs dont feel impactful enough.
This is a result of RoT specs, like affliction and Shadow have been so hard to balance. When they are strong, they are way too strong in certain situations. And when they are weak, they are just weak everywhere.
But I digress.
I will also say that these tuning changes, are just that. A little tuning. Most of the specs that really dont feel good right now, need their talent tree reworks. And I am not hopeful for those until TWW Pre-Patch.
yeeeeeaeeh this is honestly borked wtf blizzard?
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Ret is 4th on the DPS list and it needs a buff? No it certainly doesn’t need any buffs, it is already better than over 90% of the other specs on the DPS charts.
Set bonus that turns an ok spec into a perfect spec to play with 2min casters?
No… he is in charge of Demon Hunters.
?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35#sample=7&dataset=95
Closer to 4th from the bottom… you got your charts upside down lmao
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Seems like nobody at Blizz can do math. I have a PhD if you need someone who can actually do they incredibly simple math required to balance your game. Since you fail at it every single time you release a patch for coming on 20 straight years.
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You can’t even read charts and you wanna do math, please.
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