Personally I don’t care one way or the other about class balancing. Only reason I ever have been in this thread is to explain to those who don’t get why it happened to 1 class but not another. Just because I understand the reasoning behind why it was done, doesn’t mean I support it one way or the other. Regardless if it’s the right or wrong thing to do is beyond my concern. I play S and A tier specs, as long as they continue to be S and A tier, and I still enjoy playing those classes, that’s all I really care about.
Dps dont exist in a vacuum. There can’t be special rules for dps inclusion independent of tanks and healers. Paladins are massively overrepresented in healing and Tanking. You can’t have it both ways.
Looks like they can.
And it’s not both ways. Even with their buff, they’re still pretty bad. They’re just doing slightly better now.
“1. Not a Goal – Bring all of the classes with poor PvE output up similarly. Frost Mages, Subtlety Rogues, Arms Warriors, and Beast Mastery Hunters are all at or below the output of Retribution in PvE and it would be easy to point to this change and say “What about [insert spec here]”. That’s fair, and this very argument was a motivator for us holding off on making changes here. A key argument that swayed us however is that all of those classes have very viable alternatives for PvE DPS, whereas Paladins only have Retribution in this role. All of these specs also have traditionally been viewed as PvP specs, and we are very leery to shift the meta in PvP while chasing a buff to PvE. This is why we went the direction we did for Retribution; as the impact to PvP shouldn’t be large. We’ll continue to evaluate things as time goes by, but we do not have any plans for other similar class adjustments after this one.”
As a person who has all 4 healing classes @80 I can say you have no clue about healing to understand why raid can take two hpals and only one of each for other three classes.
Kinda confused why you’re replying to me?
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replied to you on accident my bad.
There’s a lot of “what about me?” happening and this tid bit answers those posters so I’ve been posting it a lot.
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This is the problem with changing the game in ways like this which it should not be changed. Now every class will want its turn. As a DK, I do not have a heal debuff. This is a big problem because it’s impossible to kill healers 1vs1 without one. So since custom balance changes are on the menu now, where’s mine?
I made a logical contribution to the thread. You made a worthless troll post to complain about it. YOU “shoo.”
You miss the point, again. Reread the first sentence in my post, then “shoo.”
Then don’t buff ret paladins then. That’s the answer. You aea ether in the rebalance game or you aren’t. Only the willfully ignorant take “well our policy is not to do this thing, outside of this group” as anything but laughable
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“1. Not a Goal – Bring all of the classes with poor PvE output up similarly . Frost Mages, Subtlety Rogues, Arms Warriors, and Beast Mastery Hunters are all at or below the output of Retribution in PvE and it would be easy to point to this change and say “What about [insert spec here]”. That’s fair, and this very argument was a motivator for us holding off on making changes here. A key argument that swayed us however is that all of those classes have very viable alternatives for PvE DPS, whereas Paladins only have Retribution in this role. All of these specs also have traditionally been viewed as PvP specs, and we are very leery to shift the meta in PvP while chasing a buff to PvE. This is why we went the direction we did for Retribution; as the impact to PvP shouldn’t be large. We’ll continue to evaluate things as time goes by, but we do not have any plans for other similar class adjustments after this one.”
Take it up with blizzard not me.
Dude, you’re whining in a ret thread about a lack of healing debuff.
Please, shoo.
yeah this 2 pce set bonus argument, which would garner like 6% perhaps! Doesn’t close a gap of 30-40% currently! Not unless the gear for casters such as Locks, even lesser so ele shaman/balance druids (who were not above ret in terms of dps back in a day in ICC) would simply have to not scale! Or scale very little, and Ret and Wars would have to scale massively! Warlocks were never in front of Ret as dps the entire expansion! They were within 10% of us by end patch.
Willfully ignorant.
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“I dislike thing so I will insult those who do like thing”
Very mature and totally not ignorant take.
You are chain posting actual nonsense that stands up to zero scrutiny because you want to believe it’s anything but bile. Your willfully doing it.
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I haven’t posted anything other than a rebuttal to your malding and a direct quote from blizzard, deal with it I guess? nothing to scrutinize except the reasoning posted by blizzard, which is fairly sound and basic, easy to understand. begs the question why you are having issues with it?
I’m willfully being fine and chill about changes that are small and somewhat warranted, you are crying because you disagree and have made zero points other than to be mad it wasn’t you. When faced with the reasoning of the dev team you choose to be further indignant for zero reason.
The reasoning does not stand up to scrutiny.
One month ago no changes, now balancing while still pretending not to balance.
They either are balancing or they aren’t, pretending ret is just a special case is an insult to everyone’s intelligence.
About ret being a special case:
Let’s talk briefly about feral, if anyone is interested in theorycraft.
Feral is below every single DPS spec in the game (including ret) IF they do not execute a bearweave or flowershift. Both of these mechanics are unintentional, and discovered only recently, and involve very difficult execution. Even with the optimal execution of these mechanics, feral is the lowest DPS in the game with the ascension of ret (aside from specs they said explicitly they did not want to be PvE viable, such as frost and sub).
Is there a problem here?
Obviously.
Should this be addressed, by the same logic as the ret adjustments?
Yes, absolutely.
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Ah I see you think this is the START of changes to wrath.
You also seem to be stuck on absolutes, “If X then you must also Y” that has never been the design choice for this game or for classic based on general observation. Dev choices have never been equitable between classes, ever. Your base argument holds no water.
They stated why it was in the blue post, so you are actually incorrect. It’s easier for you to handwave and say everyone who agrees is deficient but that’s easy and takes zero critical thinking on your end to do.
I can list all the changes made so far up to this point as best i can from memory, “no changes” was and will remain a pipe dream of the few. Believing that there weren’t changes before this, including class balance ones, way before your arbitrary “one month ago we had no changes” time cut off.
The saddest part tho? you could’ve just cut the insults and stated you just flat dislike the changes they’re doing. That’s the mature route, not malding and insulting those who disagree with you over, essentially, just your feelings.