Ive had enough. Classes no longer have identity. Especially in PVP.
Tanks: now have great survivability while also being able to kill another player in pvp. A tanks job is to take and absorb damage not dps! While no single dps should ever be able to kill a tank 1v1 no tank should ever be able to kill a dps 1v1.
Healers: almost immortal. Its completely stupid. oh and they can also kill another player while taking virtually no damage in a 1v1? A healers job is to heal not dps!
Dont get me started on DPS BS. Every melee class has umpteen gap closers which negates the idea of having range and melee classes. They also have an outrageous amount of stuns that can be cast at long range which also negates the idea of range and melee classes. And oddly enough a majority of these dont break on damage all the while having some get out of jail card absorbing outrageous amounts of damage. No class should ever have the ability to basically create no need for a healer. If a class does have some sort of bubble there should be a penalty for using it like not being able to dps during their immunity. Its just poor game design.
In flag maps you have classes flying across the map in seconds while carrying the flag? Or Shamans going underground with the flag? Or paladins mounting up with the flag? I mean what kind of stupidity thought this up? This is not ok. You have stunlocks that last forever with no real diminishing returns? Who wants to sit in a 10 second stun lock while being killed? If this is going to be the case then every classes CC should not break on damage. If a Pali can stun you for 5 seconds then a hunter trap should last as long without breaking.
The imbalance in wow pvp has nothing to do with damage IMO and everything to do with an imbalance in Utility.
The system needs to be reset.
Tank should hold aggro and absorb damage.
Healers should heal
Range dps should be deadly at range and horrible up close.
Melee dps should be deadly up-close and horrible at range.
But it will probably never change when every time some macro/addon using cry baby whines about their class Blizzard in their infinite wisdom does some game breaking change and the cycle starts all over again.
Kinda pointless if a tank could never die 1v1 and a DPS never had to worry about getting killed by a tank. U seem to want everything cut and dry and its a very complicated game with alot of nuances
I believe when it comes to range vs melee skill is the deciding factor. If you’re good you’ll make good use of your gap closers or the reverse. It’s not like ranged are eternally doomed by melee.
I remember tanks slaughtering people literally over a decade ago.
Hell, prot pally was literally the joke of “tank pvp” for a long time.
I remember years ago destroying dps as a tank. Bud, just say you’ve never pvp’d before.
wait, you mean…
they have abilities to be able to actually fight ranged?
GASP
the horror!
I have a feeling you don’t know how any of this works bud.
Name me 1 single long range stun a melee has.
Just one.
At BEST it’s a mid-range stun.
self healing has been a thing for classes for well over the vast majority of this game’s existence.
I remember being a cheetah back in Cata zooming across the map with a flag…
good times. They sadly nerfed that years ago.
How does a tank “hold aggro” against other players? Please do tell. Never once in this game’s history of pvp did a tank “hold aggro” against other players.
This entire post reads like someone who literally has never once touched pvp in their life.
Tanks absolutely should be able to kill a dps 1v1, not every time maybe and not without the dps just disengaging.
Since there’s no body blocking in WoW tanks need to be a threat to do their job in PvP. This isn’t like other games where the tank can literally stand between you and their allies to stop you. You can shoot through them, walk through them, and ignore them and there’s nothing they can do about it if they weren’t some kind of threat.
and?
I’ve been in pvp since 2010.
I just don’t obsess over it and have never cared about some stupid rank that was added in like BFA or something.
I was there LONG BEFORE that system was bud.
“but your honor level”
You mean that meaningless thing that doesn’t mean anything?
If you honestly think that having low honor level is a means of disregarding an opinion, especially when that system wasn’t even in the game for over half of it’s life…
well that’s fairly telling let’s just say.
Yes, it means you haven’t really pvp’d in years. Yet you are trying to say others don’t pvp. It’s been in the game for a long time, the game has changed sense then.
You are the one attacking people about not pvping when you clearly haven’t really pvp’d in years. You also have very minimal pvp achievements. So even before the honor level system was in the game you didn’t really pvp. What’s your excuse about that?
Occam’s Razor explanation here: they didn’t know how else to contend with class imbalances, so they just started equalizing everyone by giving them each others’ gap openers/closers/utilities/etc.
I knew this was the “path of least resistance” they were taking years ago when DHs got mass grip.
or I’m just not obsessed with it.
I pvp a fair amount.
yes.
Because the post pretty much screams that with every complaint.
It doesn’t take a genius.
I’m not “attacking” anyone.
I’m calling someone out making ridiculous complaints about pvp.
YOU are the one who came in with the attack of “well you’re only this in this arbritrary ranking so…”
And then I retaliated to YOU.
I don’t no life pvp.
that’s your explanation.
don’t like it?
cry harder that I’ve played this game for long enough to know how it works and how ridiculous these complaints are to anyone who has touched pvp.
this sounds like you are taking a pve approach to pvp, you defeat a pvper by picking apart their CDs and setting up a situation where you have burst and they have no defensives to answer, you don’t just wail on them and hope for the best like in pve.
edit, also
taunt doesn’t work on players, taunting them the old fashioned way will get a tank reported. also, if a human being is dumb enough to be tanked like an NPC, they are a complete non-threat and the tank should move on to killing someone more important.
HOW IS THIS NOT EVIDENCE
the dude thinks you can aggro in PVP!!!
Did you even read the post or are you just mad that I called the fool out?
It’s you ain’t it and Celinthia is just an alt. That’s gotta be it.
the evidence proves I do pvp, I’m just not OBSESSED with it.,
look up that highlighted word.
Keep coping bud. You know I’m right.
You mean facts like THIS DUDE THINKING YOU CAN AGGRO IN PVP?
You do understand that words have more than one meaning right? That slang is a thing right? The guy specifically asked that he wishes tanks can hold aggro(as in, be oppressive enough) to make dps stick to him on the battlefield. If I say to you “You can catch this fade.” What do you think I mean. Catching a priest fade? Fade out of existence? Hold this dimming light bulb? Use your brain dude, if you have one. There is zero wrong with him wanting that as a thing. Do I want that to be a thing, no. Should this guy be able to suggest such things, of course.
Celi is an argument troll but they are right here. You don’t pvp. This baby account has the same Honor Level as you and I made it a few months ago. You barely pvp at all and from your PvE achievements, you barely do that as well.
You don’t. That’s the funny part. Honor level is a metric point of data used to distinguish player engagement. With that low of an HL, it would be safe to say you pvp every blue moon.
This is the only other max level toon you have on this posting account of yours. Under geared and barely played as well. So unless you have another account like me. You do in fact, not pvp and should back off telling others what is and what isn’t pvp.
cool
congrats on the 24/7 play.
here’s your cookie.
I’ll take my years of experience from 2010 over your bs “you dfon’t because this dumb system added in 5 years ago says you’re not level 5000 million quatrillion”
ya’ll are CLOWNS.
bruh I literally have over 20 level 80s.
I gear enough to do content. Your “gotcha” is mute.
I’ll tell people who BLATANTLY have NEVER pvp’d how pvp works actually because I do in fact pvp.
sorry your single brain cell can’t comprehend fact.