Clarification: Killing AH NPCs against the Rules/Social Contract?

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Drat, just realized Vrak is out for the night.

Working his hooves off right now and deserves much rest.

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I still go with no unless they are glitching to kill the npc.

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Yeah that would be a problem for certain. Totally different.

Also your mog changed and you look very festive right now! Huzzah fall!

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Haha ty.

I know there used to be a way to get under there but idk if they fixed that.

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Just want to point out, that if this occurred on Moon Guard, the guy could be playing out some RP where he got ripped off by the AH and seeking revenge.

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“I’m just roleplaying” has its limits.

An example: I could also “just roleplay” a nasty old coot who is verbally abusive and mean to anyone he encounters. Depending on how severe that “meaness” is, I don’t think the “I’m just Roleplaying” excuse would protect me.

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The social contract isn’t even related to this topic or to determining if this is against the rules.

The line you are quoting about being disruptive says that “spamming, advertising, and other disruptive behaviors” are not allowed in azeroth. If you are reading “other disruptive behaviors” in that sentence to mean “doing literally anything another player doesn’t like” then it is hard to understand how your interpretation is not disingenuous.

PVP and killing npc’s is an inherent part of gameplay. There are support articles that say as much. Playing the game is not a disruptive behavior.

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I’m just reading “other disruptive behaviors” as “behavior that disrupts others.”

On a PVP server, I get it - it’s covered. But if someone has switched off War Mode or rerolled on a PvE server… which are Blizzard’s proposed solutions for this problem… at what point does the continued behavior become disruptive? I don’t really think asking for clarity there is obtuse.

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It is implied in the sentence that it includes things similar to advertising and spamming. That is why they are in there, it means those things and other similar behaviors. Not “advertising, spamming, and also a broad ban on a myriad of in-game activities that are a part of regular gameplay.”

You are applying an incredibly, unbelievably broad interpretation to an and at the end of a sentence about spam.

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The sentence itself is also incredibly, unbelievably broad though.

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Which is why the updated PvP article exists to point out that PVP activity, including killing NPCs is not against the rules.

Just so people don’t try to rules lawyer into making anything and everything against the rules.

Killing NPCs is not something a GM will get involved with.

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You’ve made this point at least 3 times. I’ve told you 3 times why it’s still unclear. I thought the purpose of opening this thread was to get a Blue to weigh in on it?

In general I am very curious where they draw the line between “PVP activity” and “activity that disrupts another players experience.” With the renewed focus on players treating each other well, it seems at odds with their new messaging to say: “Do all these nice things to others! Be sure not to do these bad things, including disrupt them. Well, unless they are on the other faction: in that case, even if they’ve opted out of PvP, it’s OK if you make sure they can’t do a quest for hours… or can’t use the AH.”

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I dunno if this has been mentioned, there is a legion rogue quest that targets the enemy faction AH. Also, there are AH in other cities too…

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The OP wasn’t from MG, I was just speaking of when there was literally weeks or even months of this one rogue just doing it because they could. It had gone on long enough that everyone was just handwaving anyone who was foolish enough to be flagged. “Oh, so and so is at it again. The sky is blue, grass is green,” kind of mentality.

(Now, throw down massive mounts or toys during an RP event and you will see the reports come flying in.)

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And, as I already stated earlier in the thread, if you want a blue response, open a ticket and ask. You are not guaranteed a blue response on any of the forums. The answer to your ticket would be to point you to the support article that states that killing opposite faction NPCs is not against the rules as there is a PvP solution to resolve it, and PvP is not against any rules.

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in short: pvp problem has pvp solution

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Exactly. The only time it is considered as against the rules is if they are exploiting to do the killing.

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If Blizzard’s position on this is essentially: “Be nice to others, don’t be a jerk and disruptive toward others… unless they are on the opposite faction even on a PvE server: then feel free to camp their quest mob or shut down their AH as long as you like or until whoever you’re trying to impact negatively gives up and leaves the game”… then I guess that’s fine. I just don’t see why that’s OK on a PVE server.

It seems like the kinda thing that’s an oversight in their renewed priorities as of last year… a relic of “Old Blizzard”, if you will.

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Killing NPCs is not something a GM will get involved with.

Especially when the player doing the killing is willfully putting themselves in harm’s way by entering an enemy city to do it.

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u can turn pvp on any server, use a pvp solution to the problem

if blizz didnt want ah npcs to die, they wouldnt be killable

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