Pvp isn’t irrelevant. Your 0 kt parse and low 70s are irrelevant.
Nobody is listening to an oranthul player
You having a bad day, Lazarak?
You should probably pay for a therapist instead of a WoW subscription.
Doesn’t change the fact that you parse low 70s and 0 kt.
You were replaced.
I walked him, and now you, through the immediate cause/effect chain of events that objectively demonstrate BGs act as a disincentive for wPvP participation. Your interpretation is that this is being done with malice but the reality is it’s a casual observation.
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My horde guild disbanded after killing C’thun in SoM due to lack of players to recruit. I came back months later for one Naxx to help a friend get his Atiesh splinters… then voluntarily sat out for Sapph/KT because 1) those bosses don’t drop splinters, and 2) I didn’t farm any frost resist gear.
“Replaced” from a guild I wasn’t in!
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try doesn’t necessarily confer permanency
we can certainly express dissatisfaction and lobby for change
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I think he has some good insight and you constantly bringing up his parses/ranking/whatever (like it matters) paints you as a stereotypical salty angry naïve classic andy. Ironically it’s you nobody will actually listen to, outside of your bubble.
Despitebeing is right. With battlegrounds introduced it became optimal to afk in the city until your queue pops, much like retail. Remember the phase when the honor system was introduced before bgs were out? Brawls in every zone, on every boat, the world was alive and dangerous. I would like to see world pvp incentivized more in a classic+ but that’s another topic, and likely a pipedream~
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To what end?
The thread wasn’t about wpvp or the lack thereof. It was seeking chronoboon feedback.
Knetik obliged and posted how the chronoboon impacted wpvp on his server and you thought that was a great time to derail the thread and make it about wpvp - all while marginalizing someone’s very valid stance on the topic at hand. They even tried to reason with you but you weren’t having it.
I can only guess the reason why but whatever it is, it wasnt a good one.
Also, I dont need anyone to walk me through the cause and effect chain regarding bgs and wpvp participation. BGs are more popular for reasons that are so obvious it hardly warrants a discussion nor are they particularly relevant to the thread.
I dont think it was done with pure malice but you really wanted to drive the point home for some reason. I just fail to see the point. The impact BGs have on wpvp has got nothing to do with chronoboons impact on Knet’s pvp server. Why you would try to blame BGs for his particular situation makes no sense.
His post:
My post:
You’ll notice he first opened the discussion to broad generalizations of “world pvp on pvp servers.” My response simply followed that same topic.
Well if you want to cherry pick like that you can miss out on the context that was provided to you in the very next sentence.
What cherry picking? His leads with how he thinks the boon ruined/killed wpvp on pvp servers. He gives his anecdote, and ends the post in the same manner. Further in the discussion, he references how BGs gave his server no issues, to which I replied:
His claim is that the boon ruined wpvp. Mine is that the true culprit is BGs.
Actually I said A LOT more than that.
Your response is to a response to someone claiming I am responsible for derailing a thread. I’ve remained on-topic.
Thats not what he said. He said it ruined the wpvp that was being driven by WBs (or more accurately the desire to not lose them/the desire to take them away).
You came in and told him it was BGs that did it.
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Whether or not the chronoboon impacted wPVP is a red herring. It is a significant functional addition to a game that was supposed to be a close re-enactment of the original ‘vanilla’ classic game. It shouldn’t be there. No matter how painful the WB retention problem grew to become among the raiding community, it should not have been introduced.
You guys read these forums. There has been a never ending supply of ideas as to how Classic should be modified to make the game “better.” None of these ideas should be considered. Leave the classic game alone as much as possible. This chronoboon ‘improvement’ should have been denied as have all the rest.
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No, you’re deriving that from his posts. But, again, this begs the question:
Why did wpvp have to be driven by WBs?
It’s because players at the time had no other motivation to pursue it. That is the actual problem and the cause for wpvp’s demotivation is Battlegrounds. You’re both listing the symptoms. I’m identifying the disease.
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For the moment, lets stipulate that BGs killed wpvp. Well, BGs were in OG vanilla so it was entirely appropriate in Classic - regardless of how painful the loss of wpvp might be to some players. Likewise, the chronoboon should not have been introduced regardless of how painful WB loss might be to raiders.
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We won’t agree. I’m not a #nochanges cultist.
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No we won’t agree. I am die-hard no changes. I’ve played unmodified vanilla for many years on private servers and was ecstatic to see Blizzard finally chose to restore a vanilla game. Changes have made me sad.
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Apologies, that was curt on my part. I appreciate that, even if they don’t agree with me, someone being willing to adopt a viewpoint that is different from their own even if it is just for a transient mental exercise.
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