Chronoboon Displacer Feedback

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

He and I share a lot of the same opinions where Classic is concerned but he just hijacked Knet’s telling of his servers wpvp scene and its relationship with the chronoboon so we can put the emphasis on something else.

[Yama-yojamba]

Give chronoboon to players on pve servers, keep them out of PvP servers, just make the wbuffs non dispellable. That way the care Bears who don’t actually want to PvP can feel better rolling on a pve server. The world PvP stays on PvP servers, the BRM wars on raid night to get into raid were some of the funnest aspects of the game. With chronoboons that is basically eliminated. Noones going to hold out opposite faction guilds without knowing they’re killing their world buffs.

[Asma-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Yama-yojamba

I think chronoboons should be eliminated but world buffs should all be undispellable.

If there must be a compromise and confining the chronoboon to PVE servers is not acceptable then I could go with your proposal.

[Despitebeing-incendius]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

So do dungeons, raids,

Yes, this game is primarily focused on PvE content. That should be self-evident.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

You only want to make it about one thing though.

Neither of those things award honor or HKs. Battlegrounds do.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Yes, being in a bg means youre not out in the world doing wpvp

This has been my stance the entire time. The inconvenient truth is that the means for earning PvP rewards are two vying systems: wPvP and BGs. I’m not calling one better than the other. The two are simply filling the same niche.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

that doesn’t mean you cant do wpvp when youre not in a bg.

At no point have I suggested this.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Its certainly the better option but I don’t think the intent was to purposefully coerce people into BGs so they would avoid wpvp by design.

I don’t have any bone to pick with BGs. I’m stating why things are the way they are.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

Yes DB, if there were no BGs and world pvp was the only option then you would see more people doing wpvp. Cuz they would have no other choice.

Thanks for letting us know.

[Axewiper-whitemane]

If you read the original post from when chronoboons were added, PvP wasn’t even mentioned as a reason. PvP is irrelevant.

The reason chronoboons were added was because world buffs incentivized people to get their buffs, then log out for potentially days/weeks at a time and NOT play the game. That’s terrible game design. You want to incentivize people to play the game, not the opposite.

The Future of World Buffs in Classic Era

Hey everybody! We know that there’s a lot of excitement for Burning Crusade Classic, but we haven’t forgotten about the Classic Era servers. One of the defining features of raiding in Classic has certainly been the prevalence of world buff stacking, and while there are some interesting social effects – coordinating turn-ins, leveling alts, world PvP at buff locations, there’s also an obvious negative element – once you’re buffed, you’re incentivized to log off and stop playing to preserve your …

No one in this thread can come up with a better solution to that problem than the chronoboon.

[Lazarak-whitemane]

Pvp isn’t irrelevant. Your 0 kt parse and low 70s are irrelevant.

Nobody is listening to an oranthul player

[Axewiper-whitemane]

You having a bad day, Lazarak?

You should probably pay for a therapist instead of a WoW subscription.

[Lazarak-whitemane]

Doesn’t change the fact that you parse low 70s and 0 kt.

You were replaced.

[Despitebeing-incendius]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

That’s not what you did.

I walked him, and now you, through the immediate cause/effect chain of events that objectively demonstrate BGs act as a disincentive for wPvP participation. Your interpretation is that this is being done with malice but the reality is it’s a casual observation.

[Axewiper-whitemane]

My horde guild disbanded after killing C’thun in SoM due to lack of players to recruit. I came back months later for one Naxx to help a friend get his Atiesh splinters… then voluntarily sat out for Sapph/KT because 1) those bosses don’t drop splinters, and 2) I didn’t farm any frost resist gear.

“Replaced” from a guild I wasn’t in!

[Asma-bloodsail-buccaneers]

@Pazorax-1880

we’re going to try something new

try doesn’t necessarily confer permanency

we can certainly express dissatisfaction and lobby for change

[Synodic-faerlina]

@Lazarak-whitemane

Pvp isn’t irrelevant. Your 0 kt parse and low 70s are irrelevant.

Nobody is listening to an oranthul player

I think he has some good insight and you constantly bringing up his parses/ranking/whatever (like it matters) paints you as a stereotypical salty angry naïve classic andy. Ironically it’s you nobody will actually listen to, outside of your bubble.

Despitebeing is right. With battlegrounds introduced it became optimal to afk in the city until your queue pops, much like retail. Remember the phase when the honor system was introduced before bgs were out? Brawls in every zone, on every boat, the world was alive and dangerous. I would like to see world pvp incentivized more in a classic+ but that’s another topic, and likely a pipedream~

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

@Despitebeing-incendius

I walked him, and now you, through the immediate cause/effect chain of events that objectively demonstrate BGs act as a disincentive for wPvP participation.

To what end?

The thread wasn’t about wpvp or the lack thereof. It was seeking chronoboon feedback.

Knetik obliged and posted how the chronoboon impacted wpvp on his server and you thought that was a great time to derail the thread and make it about wpvp - all while marginalizing someone’s very valid stance on the topic at hand. They even tried to reason with you but you weren’t having it.

I can only guess the reason why but whatever it is, it wasnt a good one.

Also, I dont need anyone to walk me through the cause and effect chain regarding bgs and wpvp participation. BGs are more popular for reasons that are so obvious it hardly warrants a discussion nor are they particularly relevant to the thread.

@Despitebeing-incendius

Your interpretation is that this is being done with malice but the reality is it’s a casual observation.

I dont think it was done with pure malice but you really wanted to drive the point home for some reason. I just fail to see the point. The impact BGs have on wpvp has got nothing to do with chronoboons impact on Knet’s pvp server. Why you would try to blame BGs for his particular situation makes no sense.

[Despitebeing-incendius]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Knetik obliged and posted how the chronoboon impacted wpvp on his server and you thought that was a great time to derail the thread and make it about wpvp - all while marginalizing someone’s very valid stance on the topic at hand. They even tried to reason with you but you weren’t having it.

His post:

@Knetik-shadowstrike

Chronoboon displacer ruined world pvp on pvp servers. It needs to be changed to allow players to lose buffs in pvp.

My post:

@Despitebeing-incendius

Not at all. If you want to complain about the killer of world PvP, look no further than Battlegrounds.

You’ll notice he first opened the discussion to broad generalizations of “world pvp on pvp servers.” My response simply followed that same topic.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

@Despitebeing-incendius

You’ll notice he first opened the discussion to broad generalizations of “world pvp on pvp servers.”

Well if you want to cherry pick like that you can miss out on the context that was provided to you in the very next sentence.

[Despitebeing-incendius]

What cherry picking? His leads with how he thinks the boon ruined/killed wpvp on pvp servers. He gives his anecdote, and ends the post in the same manner. Further in the discussion, he references how BGs gave his server no issues, to which I replied:

@Despitebeing-incendius

That’s nice, but it doesn’t change my point: players in a Battleground means less people in the Open World. It’s an inescapable fact that BGs detract from World PvP participation.

His claim is that the boon ruined wpvp. Mine is that the true culprit is BGs.

[Knetik-shadowstrike]

Actually I said A LOT more than that.

@Knetik-shadowstrike

Saying that BGs KILLED world pvp, really isnt accurate, but it DID impact it. However, BGs have been in the game since 2005 so it is hardly something we could argue against, and even the classic community has become accustomed to it both in classic wow as well as private servers.

Chronoboon is a VERY different arguement to be had, and it really isn’t even in the same category. This is a custom thing Blizzard added becuase people were complaining on the forums too much about having their world buffs dispelled by low level priest inside capital cities.

I will speak strictly from my experience on Grobbulus.

In our guild we had 3 raid teams with a mixture of mains and alts in each. When it was time for a raid night for a particular team, we called out to every other raider not raiding that week. These were our war and defense squads. These teams would take the next 1-2 hours depending on activity and set up a perimeter around the raid team’s route to raid.

This was something that nearly ALL of the top guilds did, especially on speed run or parse nights, but it was something that was happening every raid night. When we werent raiding, there were times when we would go out and defend some of our “ally” guilds.

This was CONSISTENT WORLD PVP for happening on a DAILY basis. This is simply a fact.

However, with the addition of the chronoboon, this is changed.

There is no longer a need for defense as their are zero consequences to dying on the run. No amount of pvp you do is going to combat the enemy guilds at raid rankings. Because of this there aren’t going to be many guild rivalries started across faction because there are less reasons for a guild vs guild pvp encounter to happen.

NOW, if I were to label another contributing factor that is even WORSE than then chronoboon in this aspect, I would target instance boosting and farming, as farming in the world is where you are going to see the majority of 1v1 and small scale pvp pop up.

I think THIS is what really contributed to the BGs having a larger than normal negative impact on PvP. BGs have always been queueing for ranking; however, when you needed gold you were forced to go into the world.

[Despitebeing-incendius]

Your response is to a response to someone claiming I am responsible for derailing a thread. I’ve remained on-topic.

[Corpseknife-mankrik]

@Despitebeing-incendius

His leads with how he thinks the boon ruined/killed wpvp on pvp servers.

Thats not what he said. He said it ruined the wpvp that was being driven by WBs (or more accurately the desire to not lose them/the desire to take them away).

You came in and told him it was BGs that did it.