Chronicles 4 Spoiler Thread

Jaina meets Medivh right after the Culling of Stratholme, Medivh tells her to gather her people and go West.

Jaina goes to Kalimdor shortly before Thrall arrives. We know this for a fact, because they were already fortified around Stonetalon Peak before Thrall and the Warsongs arrived.

Jaina then helps defeat the Legion at Mount Hyjal and founds Theramore right after.

Daelin arrives AFTER all of this while looking for the stolen ships.

Jaina, and not Daelin, is the founder of Theramore. Daelin only held Theramore for a brief time.

Jaina was also the FIRST to arrive to Kalimdor as the Humans already controlled the entrance to Stonetalon when the orcs got there. JAINA’s men, not Daelin’s.

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You might be right I might be thinking of Tides of Darkness. I’m focused on work, not this argument.

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https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Old_Hatreds_-_The_Colonization_of_Kalimdor

Having sailed for many grueling months, Admiral Proudmoore was searching for any Alliance survivors he could find.

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Man, he peobably should have focused his efforts on the continent most humans actually lived on, huh.

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Why would he do that when he was looking for his daughter as well? Jaina was not in the Eastern Kingdoms. He would not have found what he was looking for.

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He’s the Lord Admiral of Kul Tiras. The Grand Admiral of the entire Alliance navy. Do you seriously think word never reached him that Jaina, his daughter, led the last survivors into the West?

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Wow, that little in game book doesn’t say anything about why he went to Kalimdor, just that he was looking for survivors, didn’t his fleet have a problem with a storm on the way?

Especially when you go to the dialogue from the WC3 quest was pretty clear that he didn’t have any idea that Jaina was heading to Kalimdor
Grand Admiral Proudmoore: Jaina. Bless the stars, I’ve found you at last! When I heard that Lordaeron fell, I despaired. But I knew you’d find a way to escape. I… what is this? An ogre?
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I am not sure where you are getting this lore about his fleet having some problem with the storm.

For all we know that I…was going to be him saying I was looking all over for you. Even if he knew Jaina was sailing west/to Kalimdor, an entire continent is a huge place to search.

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Nowhere does he say that he didn’t know Jaina led the exodus to Kalimdor.

Skill issue tbh.

I mean, the two things together make it kind of weird, as the book you link states that he left prior to the destruction of Lordaeron, so unless a ship caught up to him with news, that seems a bit contradictory. But if that did happen, that means he would have left before he would have thought she had a reason to go anywhere.

They touched upon the anger and rage that the survivors felt and in DF they even addressed their thoughts on what the Horde did at Theramore. I believe genocide was the end result of Theramore the city, the culture and its people destroyed and the survivors scattered to the four winds. The Alliance never fully recovered from this crime then came Darnassus and its genocide.

warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Sullied_Banner

warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Turi_Flickerflame

And this has what to do with the fact that there’s nothing stating that anything was wiped out across all timelines?

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Man. I think the Purge was a decently balanced event (as in, a horribly dark event but with just enough buildup that it didn’t make the characters seem insane and mustache-twirling about it), and this description seems too kind. And, frankly, a bit boring.

My impression from the Purge was that Jaina’s first offer to Aethas, after portalling in and killing his bodyguards, was to tell the Sunreavers to get out immediately - and when he refused/didn’t immediately agree, she decided to arrest/imprison all the Sunreavers and took exile off the table.

So is Chronicles saying that Jaina is/was/now had been (dagnabit, retcon time-travel verb tenses!) teleporting Sunreavers out of the city and not to the Violet Hold? I guess that’s one way to avoid having to write about what happened to captured Sunreavers, if the new lore is that they were never captured at all.

But that waters down the theme slightly - I saw the switch from ‘leave’ to ‘arrest them all’ as part of the overall theme of ‘Jaina is reacting so badly because she felt she knew what was going on and was in control of the situation, only to be confronted with evidence (planted) of yet another Sunreaver betrayal, and being broken by the realization’ where the ‘arrest them all’ reaction fit neatly into the theme of ‘Jaina desperately trying to regain control over the situation’. So, I as the player reading into this theme assumed that Jaina was going to run her own inquisition to find the spy, interrogating all the captured Sunreavers and treating them all as suspects.

In that mindset, where she’s driven mad searching for the traitor and viewing all Sunreavers as her possible target(s), then I feel that’s the best possible reason for her to gloss over how crazy the Silver Covenant is getting. Not excuse it entirely, but make it the kind of mental break leading to a horrible lapse in judgement that her allies could see as redeemable while her opponents could view as unforgiveable - aka, a good wedge character for faction relation stories.

But if she suddenly was just teleporting them away into exile instead… Eh. It revokes a chunk of Jaina’s personal responsibility (not all of it, though), but in doing so, makes her seem so forgiving and restrained even at her personal worst depths that it makes it seem worse that she allowed everything else that was going on.

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It was in Tides of War. It tore holes into other timelines and it was described as the bodies of Theramore suspended in time floating. When Jaina touched them they turn to dust. The energy literally tore space and time and poured beyond our Azeroth.

warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Mana_bomb#cite_note-4

Can you quote it saying that it destroyed all other versions?

Or are you taking two separate effects and making them one? Views into other realities, and bodies of the fighters in Theramore effected in a way that they turn to dust when touched.

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I have to find the copy of the book, but you can pick it up yourself and read what the Horde did at Theramore. That’s why the Horde’s actions was seen as so heinous. Remember genocide is the intentional extermination of a group due to their race, ethnic origins, culture or religion and to destroy them in part or in whole. The Horde did that at Theramore.

Wow they are really trying to make Theramore a lot more than just an attack on a military city that encroached on Horde land.

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Garrosh didn’t nuke theramore because they were humans. He was attacking a Military Base that was sending troops and equipment into Durotar and other horde territories to harass and attack the horde and it’s members.

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I mean, other than that Garrosh dilly dallied so that all the civilians could evacuate and that more fighters could get there so it’d be more effective. And it’s one smallish port built by a larger group, and a military target. So Yeah, was overkill, but of a valid target and not just say, wiping out an entire tribe because they wouldn’t peacefully get off their own sacred land.

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No it didnt. I dont know why this misinformation is out there, I suspect Blizzard Watch since it wouldn’t be the first time they’ve thrown things in.

Anyways it killed everyone in the city and had lingering effects that eventually subsided.

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