This however does not mean the high elves were exiled. Again, the exiles only happen due to Lother’mar decree.
I am not questioning this. What I am question is your claim that they exiled anyone who didn’t follow along.
Yes he did. which is why it would have been impossible for him to exile the high elves and that it was a decree from Lother’mar.
I never bought it, while it would have been valid for the Horde to demand an answer from Genn ‘I WILL attack the Horde in the middle of a world-ending demonic invasion reason be damned’ Greymane the whole ‘Peace MIGHT not exist in fifty/hundreds/etcetera so we should attack and win the war NOW’ is stupid as far as I’m concerned, especially in the aftermath of the Legion invasion.
It is common sense that he did, because in mak’gora you only use one weapon, and if you drop, you use your fists, Garrosh had gorrehowl Thrall had doomhammer, but after he lost he used the elements.(usually when something else is at hand, they decie prior the fight, like they are retconing that it happened here)
It is also a reflection of how gul’dan using magic to win against durotar in the movie as cheating, like i said, common sense to think it would be unfair and dishonourable to use magic in a fistfight
But they went their way to say the movie isn’t canon, so that bit doesn’t hold up in the game, and saying Thrall was fine.
But again, that just bad storytelling, anyone can see he didn’t won honorable, but instead of actually leaning into it, owning it, as a redemption arc, they constantly got npcs telling Thrall did nothing wrong, how he have nothing to blame, it i 100% garrosh fault, yada yada
Now they are retconing this bit to say “see??!?!?!, Garrosh TOLD him he could use as many stuff he wanted, weapons AND magic, now can you guys stop? Thrall is perfect he doesn’t cheat!”
Lorethemar never exiled them. He never decreed anything. The Silver Covenant hated the blood elves for what they had to do to survive the destruction of the Sunwell. They hated them for consuming Fel to survive, among other reasons, exile being one of them.
"Five years we rot here, thrown out of our homes at your behest because we refuse to suck magic from living things like vampires.
Exactly, they were disgusted by what the Blood Elves had to do to survive the alternative was to become withered and die.
There’s no way to turn the Silver Covenant into anything other that disgruntled bigots. Renthar Hawkspear and his people, whe were NOT Silver Covenant or Alliance were a hostile third faction, who instead turned to [presumably] Void, instead of Fel, Renthar killed his whole company of Rangers.
First off, that proves it was Lother’mar who did order it. Second, there were alternatives to becoming withered and dying as shown by the high elves that didn’t wither or die.
All high elves had one thing in common, they didn’t suck magic. So if Renthar and co were banned from Silvermoon because of it, so where they. I can imagine being tossed out of your home/being told they could never go home was not a pretty thing for them.
That incident you quoted was to Renthar Hawkspear who remained loyal to Quel’thalas long after the Scourge Attack. He was a blood elf defector. He hated Lorthemar for personal reasons. Lorethemar was promoted to Ranger Lord and not him. He was a villian in Cataclysm, hence the short story.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Death-Hunter_Hawkspear
He’s not connected in any way to the High Elves who left Quel’thalas in the first and second war, who became known as High Elves/Silver Covenant.
What are you talking about, He was NEVER Blood elf and the entire lodge remained as high elves precisely because they would not drink magic like vampires.
Every modern day high elf is connect because they would drink magic like the blood elves. That is what made them high elves.
When was stated that mak’ghora didnt allow use of magic? Considering shamans are respectes by orcs this feels counter intuitive.
The only time I’ve seen this is in the movie, and that movie is too inconsistent with wow lore to have any real weight.
People confused the movie lore with the actual game lore and tried to convince themselves that Thrall cheated.
It’s been a non issue for years now but some people cling to it as if it’s a major retcon to something that was never really a problem to begin with in my book
Blood elves are not “blood elves” because they turned to Fel. Blood elves are blood elves because they are surivivors of the Scourge of Quel’thalas. They survived the scourge. The only reason Renthar’s contingent of Rangers was able to survive was because he has a blood crystal [one if many recovered from the runes of Dalaran, the Kirin’ tor were studying them.] Varimathras in cata sends the Horde player to collect them for Sylvanas ( aka for himself)
He eventually uses this blood cyrstal to siphon the life out of his own rangers, he was sucking the life out of creatures using the stone while moralizing at Lorethemar and the BE’s for turning to Fel. I hope he returns as an enemy we BE’s get to kill.
It not about using magic, it about using one weapon, it was stated in the shattering book, when Cairne evoke the mak’gora against Garrosh.
Gary said he would only do it if it was the proper way, and they list that you can only use one weapon, if it falls, you use your fists
Other stuff can be used if the participants agree to it, like in the warcraft mangas/hqs, a paladin and a shaman fight a mak’gora, but both of then use weapons and magic, it was equal.
Here they are forcing that ~~Akckshually, Garrosh told thrall he could use everything, so stop saying it was unfair, or that he cheated, he is our gold boy and he is clean!"
And to me that is a lame cope out, when they could have used the fact that he won unfair and was haunted by the guilty of putting him as warchief and abandoning the horde after the cataclysm was dealt with, to actually make an interesting arc about thrall realizing he is fallible and coming back stronger
No, blood elves are blood elves because they decided to suck magic. That is where the split between the high/blood elves occured. That the race would be renamed blood elves to honor the fallen(which I don’t think any elf would have had any reason not to understand) but also that every blood elf would have to suck magic(which caused said rift)
There is nothing stating this. First off, the high elves from the lodge survived for years with said crystal. 2) it is not even a crystal, In the Cataclysm, Hawkspear found an ‘item of magical energy’. This feels more head canon rather then anything.
I mean…
Garrosh wanting to fight thrall with all his elemental powers seems to me something very garrosh to do?
The dude had no reservations with magic for someone so bent in being a “warrior”.
Mana bombs, divine bell, heart of an old god, He would use anything to win.
Anything except the plague and warlock magic(well he was tolerant of that for a time).
He is a maniac but he isn’t stupid, he would not fight by saying “yep, use your powers of world shaman that can open the earth and summon lightining from heaven, i can take it”
No. All elves require supplimentation of arcance magic without an Arcane font. The Night elves had Moonwells, the Nightbourne had the Nightwell the High Elves had the Sunwell. If an elf does not have a source if arcane magic to survive they become withered. After the destruction of the Sunwell both Blood Elves and High Elves resortef to siphoning Arcane from living creatures to survive, unless they found other means. Kael’thas decided for the Blood elves Fel was another means of survival. Those High Elves living in Dalaran had access to Arcane energies to sustain them presumably. To my knowledge they never explained how High Elves were able to survive without the Sunwell to sustain them.
Illidan sucked the arcane directly from other mages to empower himself fighting the first Legion invasion.
They quite literally rename themselves Blood Elves to honor their fallen kin due to the genocide committed by Arthas. Kael’thalas is the one who comes up with the name
Night elves don’t feed on the moonwells, they use it purely for worship and druidism, and I recall night elven mages being forbidden to drawn their powers for arcane. So night Elves don’t have any dependence on magic.
Nightborne are also cured from any addiction due to the Arcan’dor.
Kael’thas renamed the High Elves to blood elves after the scourge, to remember their fallen kin, and later Illidan would teach Kael’thas and the other Blood elves to drain mana from other living beings. And i heard somewhere the Silver covenant was kept at bay with magical artifacts of the Kirin Tor?