Chen should be Horde

That’s acceptable, but at this point I just have no frame of refrance what the factions are supposed to be now. I honestly have no idea what identity either has. Maybe after some post war development i will like them again.

Alliance are your generic good guys saving the day all the time.

Horde is unknown since Blizzard fails to see what to do with them since their races are those that usually are the evil antagonists in any other fantasy franchise.

Blizzard keeps using the mainland Pandaren cuz their characters are much more tied to the plot see the Shado Pan.

Alliance aint no good guys, atleast not anymore.

I love Chen, but to be honest, I’d rather have the far-too-small roster of characters who have been Horde since the beginning get some development. Between Gazlowe, Lillian Voss, and to some extent even Valeera Sanguinaar, I’m tired of the writers shoving previously neutral characters into the Horde as a substitute for developing our existing characters. (Or, in the case of Calia Menethil and her “champion,” even previously Alliance characters.)

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No one wants or needs the Bfa replacements from the traitor council.

This is LONG over do and I “suspect” a few devs are in favor of this… However I also “suspect” the there are a few “others” who want the factions to stay relevant.

However we will see in the next expansions more clearly what direction the devs finally agree to take.

I am with you on this one however, if the games wants to say alive another 10 years. It should be an open choice, like a weekly rep of sorts (IMO)… even if you arbitrary start in one or the other faction.

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That’s why I want development for “characters who have been Horde since the beginning.” Give some screentime to someone like, I dunno, Aponi Brightmane or Bethor Iceshard or Boss Mida. Or even poor old Rokhan—what’s the last thing he actually did or said? I can’t remember.

Apart from Thrall all current Horde leaders are post Legion additions. That’s how bad it is right now. Apart from some secondary extras like Nazgrel or Liadrin Blizzard didn’t even pretend to care about it. And even those aren’t save from being removed. See Bovan.

What about Ji and Lor’themar?

And Rokhan, Gazlowe and most of the desolate council have been major horde characters for a while.

Still they weren’t leaders Back then. Lol Gazlowe was neutral just like Voss.

Kind of trippy to think Theron is the most senior Horde leader after Thrall nowadays. And he didn’t even take a break to go neutral and semi-retire.

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It’s going to take more than this for me to feel like Gazlowe or Lillian Voss are truly Horde characters. They’re previously-neutral grafts onto the Horde.

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I have the same opinion yes.

No one would know what happens because the fight would just be swirls of dark smoke

Anyway Pandaren transcend the faction brain.

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I straight up suspect that Warbands are the first major infrastructure step in doing this. It completely, fundamentally changes the way Alts and character management works.

The next one will come in Midnight, when the “scattered elf tribes” are united. It’ll be more than just a narrative device, there will be functional infrastructure changes (probably to character creation) involved as well.

Then the third, and biggest set of functional infrastructure changes will come in The Last Titan. probably something to do with the reputation/renown systems.

that’s my belief.

By the end of The Last Titan, the Horde and Alliance will be disbanded both narratively and mechanically, and their role as major political factions will be over.

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No. Stop it. NO one wants that. Silvermoon is a Horde city.

Blizzard doesn’t care what you, Erevien, wants specifically.

You screaming random nonsense on the forum isn’t going to change their plan, if that is even the plan to begin with.

Until Midnight when it becomes a neutral Elf City.

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That would never happen. No core race ever lost their city to neutrality.

Ironically making factions not a gameplay feature would have changed so much of the storytelling in ways that were clearly needed if they wanted their big adult faction war story in Mists (it would still have been stupid but maybe less so than what we got, for one the factions falling apart on a narrative level could have been a real thing)

I’m of the mind that the mechanics of the Horde and Alliance will boil down to PvP and little else. The factions themselves will continue to exist and have significant impact in the lore and narrative of the setting.

For as much as the game benefits from allowing players to play any race on any faction, the factions themselves are the heart and soul of the franchise’s story, and cannot be removed quite so easily. Warcraft just isn’t warcraft without them.