Can’t prove a negative. Burden of proof is on the side claiming it does happen.
Kicking n getting kicked should have a stacking debuff that if you reach a certain number, you get banned from the game.
Well in his defense he did provide his version of video proof (which ironically wasn’t video proof)… I mean he saw a degenerate streamer pretty much begging for a “justified” kick repeatedly. That’s why you all should have video proof of everything. What’s that? You don’t have video proof you were removed from trivial wow content? No footage in 2025 of you being in a group and having someone attempt to remove you from it for no reason? Must be lying/didn’t happen.
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Haha gotcha.
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According to people who tested it out back at the beginning of the anniversary, it isn’t still there. If someone tested it recently and it’s there, I’m going to hope it was hotfixed back in.
Voluntary dropping is typically caused by a reason that make any deserter debuff moot anyway. Typically, this would be some real-world reason calling you away from the computer.
Maybe there would be a “self-kick system”. Functionally it would be similar to initiate a vote kick, but it is clearly aimed at yourself. If the majority of the other players agree, you avoid the debuff. Just talk to the other players so they understand why you need to leave.
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I remember one time where I got kicked from a Dungeon: 20 seconds sfter I zoned into it. None of us were fighting or doing anything, I asked “what are we waiting for?” And next thing, I was given Dungeon Deserter.
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VtK is great as is.
I’m not surprised.
Don’t think any of these changes would work, more people would simply abuse the kick system, most the time the kick system passes as people don’t really look or something.
It needs to become lighter in penalty.
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I’m sorry, but being kicked from an instance is not the same as just leaving because of various reasons:
- Instance not going fast enough
- Inexperienced player (healer, tank specifically)
My husband and I were in a TW dungeon and he got kicked for being offline, but he wasn’t offline and was actively participating… his damage output was higher than mine.
What if someone’s computer crashes upon entering the instance? Do they deserve the deserter buff if or when kicked?
This buff should only apply to those who choose to leave an instance, not because someone doesn’t like how they are playing.
Remember, WoW is just a game. What you are proposing would discourage players trying new classes and positions within the game experience.
I normally do DPS, but I’ve been trying my hand with Tanking. I’m not the best, but I’m getting better. What you propose would completely discourage me from pugging because I don’t want to be kicked and get the deserter buff.
I’m fine with voting to know kick, but it needs to be a legit reason…not just teenager temper tantrums because the instance isn’t going the way they want it to.
I’ve never seen anyone drop from an instance for the “good of the group”. I see a massive amount of selfishness when people drop from a group, because often it’s because they don’t like how the group is progressing through an instance.
I’ve had to kick a healer because the entire group wiped five times on the first boss. And I got chastised by another player (who whispered me, mind you) about kicking the healer. I told the entire group, if you don’t like how I’m doing things…kick me.
Being kicked should not have the same penalties as dropping because sometimes life happens.
And again… dropping for the good of the group… I’ve never seen this.
This is exactly what is happening. Thank you for pointing it out.
Ya know, the penalty should be based on how often you leave, get kicked, or start a kick, with a running month of data.
If you rarely ever get kicked or leave, there shouldn’t be a penalty for the first occurrence in a months time. Life happens, a single occurrence in month, why should that warrant a 30 minute punishment.
Same with the kicker, which I think is in place to prevent someone from just kicking at will. Kick once, and you can’t start a kick for 30 minutes. Start another in the next dungeon, now you get an hour.
Oh, and all of these should be BNet applied, no alt hopping to get around your timers.
OR, we could all be a little more patient and tolerant in instances. This is a game for entertainment, your life will go on if a dungeon takes 5 minutes longer than your expectations.
And if you want a more “professional” approach to instances to get them done as quickly as possible, YOU join a guild…
Make it 3 times. I don’t think I’ve been votekicked 3 times in my entire life…
They’re both generally bad behavior, but you can’t leave a group without abandoning it, while you can get kicked for doing nothing wrong. They are not equivalent and should not be treated as such.
I’m fine with being kicked giving the more severe penalty. What is not fine is making it better for a player to get kicked than to leave on their own, because that encourages them to be a problem in order to get a lighter penalty.