A hybrid spec class like a paladin, druid or even a shadow priest should never be designed to compete with raw dps classes, period. Change my mind.
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Donât need to change your mind. Balance is done by blizzard. If you want that you need to change their mind as they have publicly stated their stance is otherwise. The hybrid tax ship sailed long ago.
As such good luck with that.
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What is pure DPS exactly? Because as far as Iâm concerned, utility is found in every class.
Frost trap, kidney shot, shield wall, yada yada, are just as potent as a heal in proper context.
Classes that donât have the ability to duel-spec into something else, like tanking or healing. Examples would be warlocks, mages, rogues and hunters.
Yet a warlock can soulstone and provide healthstones, hunters can distracting shot, lay down frost trap and dispel enrage, mages can sheep, nova and provide food for everyone, rogues can CC more than anyone else in the gameâŠ
Should their DPS be diminished because they offer something other classes cannot?
Itâs such a silly argument that having a heal or being able to withstand more damage means you should inherently do less damage when you play a spec meant for damage.
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Someone get this man a dev job
are frost dkâs hybrids or dps because they bring Icytalons and Horn of winter two powerful raid buffs. Are tank/dps not hybrids? or does it only count if its a healer/dps class and exacerbated by healer+tank+dps specs classes.
Thatâs how the game was designed, âHybrid Taxâ was what it was called. Paladin, Shaman and Druid.
When Rogues can Tank or Heal then sure!
Anyone using a smaller weapon than me, should never be allowed to do more dps than me.
Wah wah, Iâm a rogue who does worse dps than the 2 best healing classes in the game
Classes that can only DPSâŠ
Rogue
Hunter
Mage
Warlock
I think a small hybrid tax of maybe 5% is fine.
Only true if the actually utility & extras they supply while doing DPS role actually makes up for doing less individual DPS. It also highlights why parse competition is meaningless beyond childish ego-stroking, unless you are playing a pure DPS piñata game design where group utility & such are non-existent & unneeded, in order to give a level playing field.
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Hybrid tax is kinda silly imo, any healing or tanking any of these âhybridsâ would do in a raid is basically negligible, the dps specs of the hybrids do almost no healing in any circumstance, the only one that really could is a balance druid shifting out to tranq
I donât really need to convince you, this is the ideology Blixzard ran with through like Cata.
Eventually they abandoned it because they found that hybrid players didnât always play multiple roles and once in the fight they couldnât change spec.
A lot of their off-spec capabilities got taken away over time too. An elemental or balance druid could heal in a pinch or a warrior could throw on a shield and try to save the day, but that doesnât work that way any more in retail beyond someone popping a major CD or something.
There is no yet because this isnât a complicated or deep talking point. Pure classes are defined as ones that only have DPS as a role. Thatâs all there is to it.
Blizzard never gave us another pure and they have abandoned the model of pures needing to do more damage to justify their slot anyways so the debate is moot, and what constitutes as a pure class isnât philosphical either.
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If only pure DPS classes should be allowed to do competitive DPS, why have DPS specs outside of mage/hunter/lock/rogue at all?
Itâs not particularly helpful to say to someone that they should accept that their specâs DPS has to be bad because this other role that they didnât specialize, gear for, or want to play is decent.
Thatâs not much different than going to a mage and saying âsorry that mage is bad, but have you tried priest healing?â
Hybrids donât even have buff coverage helping to prop them up much anymore, as overlapping buffs let you get everything important with a few raid slots, and then you are left with DPS as the only comparable factor.
Yeah sure. Blizzard tried this line of thinking for⊠what, 15 years?
And never in the history of WoW has a class been taken to a raid because of their dual functioning kit. A boomkin was never asked to offheal between wraths. A holy paladin was never asked to do a dps rotation and heal some of the time. Itâs only ever happened in PVP and push over dungeons.
You can design a class however you want, but if after 15 years a class is still being used for a single spec purpose, then clearly the community doesnât like your design.
The only way you get it done is by optimizing hybridity into the rotation. A heal has to power up a melee attack, or healing a party member makes you take 75% less damage or whatever.
If itâs not forced, people will single-function that class. Druid in vanilla probably the best example. Pretty garbage healer the entire duration of vanilla until late AQ40, but full healing it always remained.
after reading those comments i would like to tell you all âyou people should go play dragonflight youâll love it, it wonât give you any concerns :Dâ
Hybrid Tax was instilled by Ghostcrawler because these select classes had Tank / Heal / DPS specs albeit Shaman canât tankâŠ
This was done because these classes became super needed for progression, and if they indeed had the same DPS nobody would roll anything different.
Hows pvp? is it still Elitists get gear only?