“Boosts didn’t ruin retail! Nobody is going to use them for botting – anyone who thinks that is delusional!”.
“Putting a dungeon group together is too much work! I don’t want to have to post in LFG chat or use the LFG board. You don’t even remember who was in your last dungeon group anyways. We need LFD, anyone who says it ruined retail is delusional.”
“People are hard rezzing too much gear! I don’t want to put my own raids together to have to get items. We need personal loot. Personal loot didn’t ruin retail, anyone who thinks that is delusional!”
“LFD queues are too long for DPS! We need cross-realm so there are more tanks and healers in the player pool. Cross-realm didn’t ruin retail, anyone who says that is delusional!”
“I don’t have time to join a guild or find a raid group every week, I need LFR! Doesn’t hurt you if I have this feature. Anyone who says LFR ruined retail is delusional!”
“These raids are too hard! Anyone who is clearing them is just a sperg in their parents basement! It’s not fair that I can’t clear all the content. We need a lower difficulty option. Anyone who said LFR difficulty ruined retail is delusional!”
Very interesting to see how history repeats itself. It wasn’t a single change that made retail what it is today. It was the culmination of many changes, like these, that slowly made it what it is today.
You can add cross server PVP and Cross server PvE.
You can also add teleport to dungeon, CRZ, layers, sharding, and paid server transfers to the list.
Hell, toss on paid faction and character customization and name changes, they also caused harm.
On the list of player created issues.
Rampant botting of numerous types
Addons that do way too much for the player giving them effectively a big edge vs those who do not use them (nearly botting)
As someone who started playing in late Wrath and has only ever known LFD, I have to say that I love forming groups the old-fashioned way, getting to know the people you’re running with a little bit.
It leads to that personal touch that just takes the edge off…I feel like in retail when I go into a dungeon, I’m up against 4 people who are judging my entire worth as a person by what they see on the meter…whereas in Classic you are reminded that there’s an actual soul on the other end of the line and it makes people more willing to overlook stuff like that and act more friendly.
Absolutely not. Cross server anything is beneficial to the game in more ways than one.
This is an extremely harmless feature, I /lol at people who legit think this is a bad thing. Small brains.
I’m impartial to these.
Nothing wrong with this.
Uh, what? The only real harmful addons are the AH addons that constantly scan and instantly buy anything listed for lower than market value. The rest are fine.
This is a personal issue. If you’re convincing yourself that you’re being judged, then you probably already know that you aren’t doing as good as you could but, but aren’t doing anything to change that.
If anything, you’d probably get judged more harsh in classic than retail. If theres a DPS in my heroic group thats doing 300 dps (and geared enough to do more), he’s gone. You’re not wasting my time or anyone else’s when we’re trying to progress.
False. Regardless of how the group is formed, very little communication happens. You get the occasional “sheep this” or “mana”. Thats it. Its delusional that people have made up this ‘community/communication’ when it never happens.
I’m not a great DPS, but I haven’t had anything but positive experiences with groups in Classic. Haven’t run into any players that think the way you do, and if they do, they haven’t put voice to it, which makes it much more pleasant for everyone involved.
In retail though…it’s only ever been a toxic sludgepool in LFD groups. I can’t remember a single positive interaction in 12 years of using it, while I can’t remember a single negative interaction in Classic.
Its definitely the boomer mindset of some of the classic players. We don’t sit around and talk about the weather or what we read in the newspaper my guy. Get stuff done and get out. There’s more people like me than like you, I promise.
I notice you play on the same server as me. I think you’re quite mistaken. Everyone I’ve met has been cordial, respectful, helpful, and just generally nice to be around.
Outside of correcting people on mechanics or giving advice, I’ve never seen anyone criticized for their performance in the brash ways you see in retail.
I won’t say it’s a “you” problem because tbh I don’t know you, but I will say you come off much more representative of the type of player I’ve met in retail vs. the type I’ve met in Classic.
Teleporting to dungeons is definitely a bad feature. When I first played retail I played the entire game from orgrimmar. I never knew where any of the dungeons actually were in the world before I played classic.
The irony about telling them its a ‘personal issue’ while you just projected your personal issue and passed it as a fact.
If people never speak in groups you form or join in Classic then news flash: That’s not a Classic thing, that’s a ‘You’re probably weird or don’t have good social skills’ thing. My groups don’t start having lifelong deep conversations every time but they’re definitely not dead silent either. You sound like the type to just invite people to your group or join one without ever acknowledging anybody and then get surprised when people reciprocate the same cold/anti-social energy.
I’ve gained many Twitch followers, Discord friends, Battlenet friends and just random people on the realm that recognize/respect my name because I know how to socialize like a functional adult. Perhaps you’re one of the bitter boomers that doesn’t have a friendly/welcoming aura and never types in chat unless its to passive-aggressively complain about something that slightly inconveniences you.
I’ve even met up with some people IRL that are super chill, both men and women. Its really not hard to engage people in Classic, you should try not being so bitter
I haven’t played retail since MoP. You’ve also seem to mistaken ‘problem’. I don’t want to communicate with randoms. I don’t want sit around and ‘RP’. I have a goal, and I intend to get it done as fast as possible.
There are players that like to take their time, thats fine. You do you. But I tend not to group with those types of players becuase at the end of the day, they’re wasting my time.
You can get stuff done and actually talk to people… It is an MMO after all, there is some expectation that you will have to interact with players lol. I put together 40-man MC’s every week in vanilla classic to get thunderfury. I had a goal and I got it done and I met lots of nice people along the way.
So? If you never need to know where the dungeons are, then why is not knowing where the dungeons are a problem? Its also not difficult…do you not open your map while leveling? They’re generally in the zones you just leveled through. That’s an awareness problem, not a problem of the dungeon teleport.
Lol. You’re projecting now. I get in a group “hey guys, whats up. lets get this done”. Thats all that needs to be said. Focused mindset that I’ve now made the rest of my group aware of.
This is whats wrong with the argument. You ‘anti dungeon teleport’ people are acting like you do have lifelong friendships with these randoms and its absolutely terrible if you never talk to them again, which you probably wouldn’t anyway.
I am 35, and I’m in what you’d call a ‘dad’ guild. We all have kids and things to do, which is why we have a similar mindset. We got IRL stuff to do. Lets not waste time, get whatever we’re doing done and move on.
i dont have full bis pve gear and i dont think i ever will and im ok with that.
im ok with having less gear than some1 who dedicates 10x more time than me into it.
when you cater to casuals, ultra geared people aint strong, you become the weak one like it is in retail because being bis will be a must and game is balanced around it. in retail if you dont have a full conquest gear with sockets and bis status, you cant play the game.
if you dont have any feature of borrowed power the game gives you there,you are weak and out of competition.
when you have every pve piece in this level of difficulty, your toon is strong.
It sounds like you just want to experience this game as if it was 25-man skyrim. Unfortunately for you, its an MMO and you will have to interact with people.