Cata PvP Changes that would be nice to see

Hello everyone. It’s that time again where I whip up word vomit that no one reads because I not only have time, but am also hoping that blizzard might actually do something for the better for PvP. Despite knowing that PvP is a 2nd class citizen group of people, is a mini game, and has rarely been cared for xpac after xpac.

First and foremost we need what retail has in regards to looking for group, for PvP. The custom tab is garbage. At the very least, we should have a PvP Tab. A step up from that would be to have an Arena tab, and a Rated BattleGrounds tab.

I don’t know if the reason why we only have a custom one is to lump all the groups together so the game doesn’t look as dead even though anyone who does Ranked PvP knows that it’s barely alive. Having said that, Cata arena is still very fun, and I’d still like to throw my 2 cents in to maybe have something change for the better.

Second is solo queue. Literally just let people be able to queue for ranked arena or ranked battlegrounds. Even if it is some half baked attempt where it’s 2 dps 1 healer with no care for comp, i’d rather just be able to play the game than sit in stormwind for an hour or two just to log off without actually being able to play.

I love arena. Honestly it’s why I even play this game. There is no game like WoW arena. Like sure, i’ve played overwatch, got to masters, played LoL and got to emerald. But I don’t always want to play those games. I want to play WoW arena because WoW arena scratches that itch. Or maybe it’s an addiction. I’m too far gone it’s hard to say.

Third is an introduction for rating decay for 3s and RBGs for 2200 and above rated players. Right now the game is facing an issue it has faced in the past. Good players push really high rankings early on in the season, sit the ladder and never play until the last 2 weeks when everyone else begins to play and que dodging + sniping becomes impossible.

For those who are unaware, i’ll explain why this is bad. Once higher skilled players stop playing, there are no more higher rated teams to face. This causes the que times at the higher end to go up. This is especially true for RBGs. Additionally, those higher rated players will then log on alts, and play games at a lower rating. This does two things.

High skilled, but low rated teams will inevitably queue into the teams that are on the cusp of being high rated, but are 1-400 rating short of it. An example right now is being 2k in RBGs is artificially more difficult because there are so few 2k teams and quite a few higher rated players playing alts at around 1800.

These lower rated, but higher skilled teams will most likely get to queue into them after the 2k team sits an 8+ minute queue, and wins. This means they gain a significant amount of points, while the higher rated team loses far more than they should. This means that the higher rated team will struggle to climb because they are facing players above their skill level, but being punished as if they were fighting players below their skill level. This creates an artificial gate keeping, as well and secures the spots for the higher rated players mains since the competition will never climb to their rating. The higher rated players can also secure their rating by simply not playing after they get so high, either. Nothing to risk, and everything to gain.

This also creates an unfun environment where the risk is greatly higher than the reward, and because the population pool is soooooooooooooo small, the chances for a lower rated, but higher skilled team to CONSISTENTLY QUEUE into a team that is sitting a 10 minute queue because there are simply no other teams around them to face goes up dramatically.

Essentially, this is sniping. And although sniping is not completely unavoidable, the biggest issue right now is people simply refuse to play the game unless they know that the other high rated players are not playing the game. This refusal to play also makes the game even more dead than it appears since people are deliberately being picky when they want to play games.

As it stands, hitting 2200 in RBGs is actually, maybe for the first time in a long time to the best of my memory, harder to get than 2200 in 3s because there is no incentive to que main team when alt team can secure main teams spot.

Not to mention the fact there will only be like 20 spots for Hero of the Alliance / Horde. So realistically speaking, there is no reason for some of these higher rated players to sit because they won’t get it despite being a multi Hero player. Yet, collectively as a community, they do still sit.

So I believe the proper solution is to deduct 20 rating, per day, unless 1 game is played for that day PER CHARACTER. While also allowing playing up to 14 games to secure the next 14 days without fear of rating decay. This will allow a player to play 14 games in as little as one day, while keeping the next 14 days safe from rating decay.

I think having rating decay after 1 week is too harsh. People should be allowed breaks, vacation, and real life stuff to happen. However, for the sake of a healthy competitive environment, something does need to happen for the higher end of the ladder to be playable again.

Please keep in mind that this rating decay will affect less than roughly 1600 players in 3s, and less than 200 players in RBGs. Source is Ironforge Pro Cata PvP Leaderboards. Not to mention a lot of these players are alts. So the real number will be even less.

Fourth I think is to add gladiator, rank 1, and Hero to Btag/account. Exactly how they have it in retail right now. That way people who have alts in that range can free up, if only, 5-10 more spots for other players. Back in WoD, a relatively controversial xpac, there were over 1200 gladiator spots for S18, warmongering season. In the last season of Wrath classic, there were less than 500 amongst 3 brackets.

There is realistically no reason why someone who hits rank 1 / Gladiator / Hero on more multiple characters should take up multiple spots. Even overwatch made people add phone numbers to reduce the amount of duplicates to top 500 spots. So even if you were in range, but didn’t have a phone number, you were not eligible for the reward and prestige icon of the top 500.

Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.

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Solo queue would be great. I feel like the developers investing into the sinking ship that is SoD (after a successful phase 1 - I will admit) has really hurt cata. It reminds me of the changes they could have added to TBC classic like dual spec but instead decided to spend their development time doing season of mastery.
If SoD development continues into TBC SoD, I have no hope for solo queue in MoP (or any positive changes for that matter). Cata classic could have been so much better with a few things being done but Blizz likes SoD more for whatever reason.

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Well, you’ve certainly started by setting the tone to negative, complainy, regardless of whatever else you may be going for with the actual intent of the post/topic.

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Just speaking the truth. Thanks for the bump :slight_smile:

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Your truth is coming across as negative complaints. That’s literally how you are setting it up, so the expectation is that you are whining and complaining.

That’s fine that you believe that to be the case, and maybe it even is. I’m merely pointing out that that’s the first sense of tone that we get, as readers, before we even get to any point about the actual topic that you may wish to make.

Why not just play Retail? I’ve got a few friends, mostly new friends I’ve made through playing arenas in Cata, who have moved on to Retail for PVP. Some are playing Era/SoD or HC for their non-pvp adventures, and some are just focused on PVP and prefer Retail features.

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I don’t know how their dev teams look like, but i would hope that cata has it’s own. Even then, i’m not sure if PvP is ever on their radar.

Well, even so, it doesn’t hurt to be annoying out of boredom every once in a while. Especially if i have time to kill.

As long as it’s truthful, i don’t care how the tone is when it comes to blizzard. I don’t know your history with them, but mine has always been on the back burner.

I’ve been pvping on and off for a literal decade and longer. They hardly show concearn or care.

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I think two of the people that got to interview the WoW Devs like a week before cata came out mentioned solo queue to them. I’m sure those devs didn’t even write any of that down. They’re too busying writing essays in paladin discords about seal twisting for SoD.

That’s good to know. I’ll have to see if i can find more information on that. Not that it will do anything, but at least i will know that they know about it. Even if that doesn’t mean anything lmao

Well, it’s your tone so cool. I guess I was just pointing that out, because whenever someone starts out with a complaint up front, at least for me, it tends to overshadow the rest of whatever they are saying.

Reading the rest, it comes across as you’re being stubborn, complainy, whining and should just go play Retail, which solves literally all the problems you have.

You have a solution, so I suppose the best response to your thread is:

“There, there. I hear you.”

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Except retail isn’t cata. Cata pvp is a lot better. More digestable. Easier on the eyes. Retail can be fun at times, i’ll admit. But it’s not the version of arena i like.

I didn’t really care for TBC or Wrath arena, but i still played it. Doesn’t mean i loved it. Cata, MoP and WoD iterations of arena is, in my own opinion, the golden age of arena.

Though i’m surprised your so caught up on my tone. If you don’t mind, would you please focus on any of the points i made instead of derailing?

Thanks for the bump :slight_smile:

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It isn’t derailing. You have made it the main thing by bringing it up before everything else. That’s the point I’m getting at.

You’re starting with:

And then stating something about needing what Retail has, because:

OK. What issues are you having? Are you having a hard time finding arena partners with the current tooling?

Please explain.

Retail has a solo queue. I don’t like the way it works, but I do think that what you’ve described here:

would be pretty cool. Literally just random matchmaking, preferably based on MMR or CR, and even more preferably based on class/spec preference settings, imo.

But, we have that already, even if it is in a much more classic way, being manual.

Well, I haven’t tried Retail pvp lately, and I’ve only really played 2 seasons on Wrath Classic relatively seriously. I’ve been learning hunter this season, and hope to maybe play a little more seriously next, if I don’t just go to Retail, but Cata has some things I like, like the variety of viable comps.

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Thank you! I will do a much better job in the near future to explain why the current tab is so disgustingly bad, and needs to be updated. It’s a legitimate response like this that helps people do better, and be better!

In regards to what retail has, i think it doesn’t really matter because right now, i want to make it so that it’s “what does cata have?”

I want the best features of retail, with the best game play of Cata.

Retail and Cata both have
Arena
RBGs
A group finder
Conquest catch up

Retail has
a better group finder. It has a tab for arena, skirms, rated battlegrounds, battlegrounds, and i think 1 more for war games. I don’t remember.

Having those tabs specifically for pvp allows players to collectively come to one hub and become more accessible to eachother, without the clutter of random non sense. Additionally, it looks cleaner and more appealing to the eyes.

How it looks might not matter to some, but it does play a factor. It’s also on the PvP tab section, which makes it easier to get to and find, even on accident!

Not being able to find the pvp tab on cata, because there is none, or because it’s not properly labaled, as i said before, is a small issue, but also an important one. Can’t forget the baby steps.

Moving on though.

Retail has a distinct way of playing the game, so does cata.

I want the features that retail offers to make the game more accessible, while maintaining the function and fun aspect that cata offers. So retail isn’t a solution. Retail is a “Hey, look at their tried and tested methods that work BUT also do NOT change the core aspect of the game we play, and implement those to further enrich and enable our playerbase.”

I hope that makes more sense.

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I guess. I suppose your opening paragraph did a good job of explaining what you were going for with this thread.


FWIW, I don’t think the group finding tool is the best thing possible. I do think it works, and doesn’t need to be fixed or changed. Your response also indicates this.

You seem to want your own preferred design to be implemented to match your preference here. That’s fair.

As for the Retail vs Cata, it seem you prefer Cata because you like Cata. Also fair.

There are tons of things I think they could do to make WoW PVP more engaging, popular, and fun in general, but I also think it would be difficult to find 2-3 people on these forums who agree on any sets of what those things would be! haha.

Maybe it’s time that those who actually care about this stuff start putting on their adult pants and go out there and make the types of games they’d like to see on offer.

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Why would they make any significant changes to classic arena

A lot of these problems stem from low participation. Classic arena is not popular. It’s old, solved, and metaslaved hard. Most arena playerbase is on retail. If you loved arena, you’d be over there. Regardless of what people say the arena gameplay is better over there.

Solo queue RBG on cata would be a fantastic change.

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You offered nothing of substance. Is all your 9000 posts the same?

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I agree with everything you said.

Snipy is getting snippy with you over nothing IMO. All PvPers know that we are 2nd class citizens in Blizzard’s eyes. This is not a “tone”, or complaint, its something we all know and accept. Hell, even Blizzard themselves have acknowledged this. Remember “Shut up, pvp guy”?

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Yes.

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Gib solo q

Solo queue for rated bgs and arena would be great.

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