Change my mind.
As long as Mop remix is not just a reskinned dragonflight then there is no chance for cataclysm
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I’m kind of annoyed at how close everything is releasing since I wanted to play them all including D4 S4 which comes out days before MoP remix which is just days before Cata, but remix is a temporary event that isn’t going to go on as long as Cata.
The first tier of Cata isn’t that interesting anyway but even people not interested in the first tier may still play it some to prepare for Firelands.
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Nah, dumb thread, nobody cares.
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People who make threads like this are unlikely to be convinced otherwise. Impossible challenge not accepted.
And yes, MoP remix will be a reskinned Dragonflight as far as how class/specs play.
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You are probably right. I’m sure people will maybe check out both but Cata isn’t a popular expansion and likely why they are doing MoP Remix as well. They want to funnel people into Retail and SOD has a lot of Classic players attention. Cata Classic is there too but it’s a side thing atm.
Sadly it looks like Cata will be neglected big time. Would of been better if they just kept Wrath servers if that was the plan.
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Uh…isn’t “MoP Remix” retail? The worst version of the game? lol
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I doubt many people who have actually played every version of the game think Dragonflight is the worst version.
Personally I think vanilla was the worst version. I liked it when it was the only version, but every version since vanilla was better. Even WoD, which was probably my least played version.
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that’s literally all it is though
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MoP remix isn’t really just Dragonflight doing MoP quests. The gem system makes it more of an SoD Dragonflight hybrid I think.
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I more so meant out of the 3 currently available versions - SoD, Cata Classic, Dragonflight.
Also vanilla being the worst version is certainly a hot take, considering the dramatic active playerbase difference between Classic vanilla and retail at the time. But hey to each their own 
Era is the least popular version of WoW by far. Classic vanilla was only popular in 2019 when it first came out, and the only reason the numbers were so high is because people like me also played it briefly because we hadn’t played it in so long we decided to give it a shot and then remembered it was actually really very annoying and unfun overall.
I even leveled a hardcore character to 60, but I still think vanilla is the worst version of WoW by far. It has absolutely garbage tier class design compared to every other version of the game. I also don’t really enjoy slowly walking around a world I sufficiently explored 20 years ago. 
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You’re certainly in the minority with that opinion but that’s okay, we all have our preferences.
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it’s literally just a timewalking event that just boots you back into dragonflight once you’re done. You don’t get the legendary quest chain, MoP class design, original vale of eternal blossoms.
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I mean it has the lowest pop out of any other design of the game other than HC servers
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https://ironforge.pro/population/classic/
https://ironforge.pro/population/era/
https://ironforge.pro/population/sod/
I guess if we want to pretend SoD is vanilla we can pretend people like vanilla, but the classic cultists all tried to say SoD was “like retail” so . It’s not actually and I played that too but the only reason SoD was popular was the non-vanilla aspects like new class role combos and new content that wasn’t in vanilla. The population also dropped off a cliff exceptionally fast because the lipstick on the pig wasn’t enough to overcome how boring and annoying most people find vanilla gameplay.
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Well the problem with Retail is every expansion added compounds the problem. So every expansion has to be worse. While SL was truly dreadful and drove millions of players to other games. DF never gained them back, it can’t cause it’s just adding more ontop of what is already bad.
Warwithin will be a bad expansion. It has no choice. At some point you have to have a hard reset and remove all the previous expansions before you can add again. Retail reached a critical mass several expansions ago. This is why WoW 2 is needed so you can have expansions that actually work.
I’d rather play 8.3 BFA than Dragonflight.
At least there was some fun to be had in BFA despite being terrible overall. Dragonflight is just an overly convoluted mess of decades of design and adding too much to the game. It doesn’t work so it’s not playable.
PS - Yes I’ve played every version of the game and you just can’t log into Dragonflight. It’s that bad of a convoluted mess.
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Dragonflight added a new talent system that’s widely considered the best talent system the game has every had by people who actually used it.
The new flying system is hated by some but most love traveling 3x faster than they were before.
The PvP gearing system was a huge improvement over the previous two expansions.
BG Blitz was probably the best BG addition they’d made in years, though few have even tried it since it was added after season 1 after most people move on before maybe returning for the next expansion.
The new crafting system is probably heavily debated but I think it was a step in a better direction for crafting overall.
Most aspects of Dragonflight were improvements.
The 5 man dungeon system was recently overhauled, which the game has needed since M+ was first added in Legion. It’s part of why the game doesn’t retain players much past the first season of every of the last several expansions.
I don’t know if it was enough and I think they need to simplify the new end-game currency system since I do agree that is convoluted, but I do think it’s headed in a better direction than it was.
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Era is simply a graveyard server for people who cloned their toons, wasn’t really in the equation here.
Classic vanilla’s population compared to retail’s population at the time was a night and day difference - barely anyone was playing retail until Classic vanilla was finished (even after some of the people like yourself decided to quit) Hell, that continued to be the case even after TBCC launched.
A ton of people played Shadowlands in the first season, then left like they do every retail expansion.
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Gonna disagree with you because the Class design is terrible for everyone. It’s a homogenized convoluted mess. There is no uniqueness in Classes or their design.
I used it. I played Dragonflight at launch. It’s not a good game and everything I said is valid.
I’d say this is the only thing good about DF. However this doesn’t fix everything wrong with DF as an MMO.
Don’t agree. Again I’d rather play 8.3 BFA and I competed in PvP in BFA. It was worth playing and competing. DF on the other hand is not.
Yea but it’s in a game that isn’t playable from the ground up. So they can add another feature but that doesn’t fix the game. It’s just more features. I’d like to play BG blitz but then I’d have to play Dragonflight which isn’t something that can be played due to the reasons I listed.
Except you miss the point. You can release and expansion that has good features and improves some things but it will still be bad because it is just added to the previous expansions. Which is the problem with Retail. This is why Warwithin is doomed. Retail hit a critical mass and you need to gut the game and have a hard reset. Expansions don’t work anymore.
The reason why everyone quits after the launch of a new expansion is because it’s just another expansion adding to the convoluted mess that was the previous one. It can’t work.
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