Couldn’t say it better. Activision is catering towards that player base. And wow was always casual unfriendly. Other MMOS give you so much to do without group and you can get best quality or in WoW terms ilvl gear while doing any content.
Activision is so afraid what certain streamer will say, of what hard core player will say.
This is just wrong I play an hr a day for gw2 and I have fun doing their battlegrounds or a little bit of story quests/ unlocking mounts with only an hr a day.
I also did pvp and questing as well as rp events in ffxiv while playing an hr a day.
In those games pvp is skill based not gear based so I have fun regardless of my characters level or gear score.
I’m sorry you haven’t played any other mmos cause ur statement is factually wrong.
If you started Shadowlands from day 1, 1 hour/day is enough to clear the campaigns in many weeks to few months.
I though Legion was the ultimate grindy xpack but Shadowlands reached a new level, my main got a legendary from the last campaign and my sole alt have none.
Vanilla WoW wasn’t less grindy, the difference is that everything is mandatory on Shadowlands in order to progress and that’s maybe why you feel out of touch.
MMOs are games where a player can chill out, game pace is slow, combat sequences easy to learn, team play can be very funny, many mechanics are just plain relaxing, but MMOs are also the most grindy games.
1 hour a day is very light. some ppl will play more in a day than you do in a week.
must be hard to focus on that side of things if you put yourself in blizzard’s shoes.
how to make everyone happy without making one side or the other feel left out?
personally if i truly had only one hour a day id find something else to play that gets more value out of short sessions. then again pvp could fit this 1 hour a day thing pretty well - a few matches a day type of deal. even m+ could fit it well, 2 m+ a day or something (this one would probably take slightly more than an hour tho)
blizz seems to like time-played related metrics too so the 1hour a day crowd isnt very appealing for that - i guess. it all adds up tho - i dont think theyd spit on your extra 1 hour a day for the stats
Im casual in the sense that my end game is only lfr and random battlegrounds and questing. I do nothing more than that. this is my main pve character at 255 ilvl. I have 2 pvp characters at 250 ilvl outside of instanced pvp. And a handful of other alts around 200 ilvl. I play an hour or 2 on workdays. And probably 7 to 10 hours on any day i have off if im lucky.
I’ve literally been a DM and player for 30 years. Im currently running three groups, and one of those is with a group of guys that i started playing with in grade school, almost thirty years ago. When i say “there is no wrong way to play,” I mean 3.5/Pathfinder (still the best system, hands down), 5e, AD&D, D20 modern/future, or even, and this makes me a little sick to say 4e. I’m not talking about murder hobo/spotlight hog/cheating/or whatever players. I’ve had those at the table. Each one can be dealt with. You really don’t need to lecture me about the game. As far as guilds go, why does it matter if a guild member doesn’t want to raid? Guild cap is what? A thousand? It’s a GAME. WOW is supposed to be Bout HAVING FUN. It doesn’t need to feel like a second job!
I also don’t care about endgame content, if I was the one you were referring to. I can come back for that later. Also, gatekeeping ISN’T a good thing. I remember a time when you didn’t talk about “nerd stuff” in public. Now, it’s acceptable, and a lot of people want to gatekeep. I fell in love with the Infinity Gauntlet, in the late 90’s. There were maybe five people that knew about that kind of stuff, at my little podunk school. Im thrilled to death that I have other people to talk to now, like out in the open, where we won’t get shamed for it.
eh in an hour a day you could run 1-2 keys or pug a couple raid boss kills and get a weapon easy enough.
If your doing nothing tho, you cant expect to get the rewards.
BFA was even worse for casuals. And then you have this one that is almost as bad. Legion as well most of my casual friends quit as they didn’t like how you had to grind out an artifact for every single spec and could not play without it. I like them. Every toon I make now gets the artifact. This expac feels like they went out of their way to put in pointless grind.
In an hour a day a player on top of their game could run 1-2 keys or pug raids. There is no place for learners in this game, no learning curve. This “I devoted my life to becoming an elite for more than a decade so I can raid log, you should be ready to get ksm the day after you first learn how to move your character across the screen” schtick is dumb.
Unfortunately if your wanting to raid consistently then at the barest you need to make a once a week 2-3 hour commitment to a raid group. Outside of that you need to make do with lfr, jumping into a pug group a boss at a time or if you cant commit to a raid group then with the 240ish gear thats easy mode to get via ZM or other world based content. But you can buy a set of anima gear and you’l be perfectly fine to do anything world content, low key, farming, old content based. Its got nothing to do with elitist mentality, just efficient time use.
If raiding isnt something someone is interested in, then its entirely possible to do everything in game playing only an hour a day, but they need to understand that they will just achieve everything at a slower rate than someone who can commit more time, and thats perfectly fine. MMO’s are grinds, its the nature of the beast. If you want instant gratification then a MMO isnt the game for you.
Personally I’d love if earning honor was account bound – So after PVPing on one toon, you’d have the honour points on your alt (or main, if you were pvping on the alts) to purchase the pvp gear. Because as someone who took a break from WoW, if I wanna PVP I’m forced to either go to two options:
PVE a heckload to get high tier gear so I won’t be a push over. (Ironically seems like the best option for PVP gearing an alt)
PVP to try earn honor & gradually build gear - but get steamrolled again, and againand again – Whilst those in my team slag me off for having terrible gear or incredibly low health.
I’ve spoken to a few players, and I’m not the only one. A large handful of players who were even in high PVP gear said they use to PVP on many alts too, but don’t bother anymore because it’s not worth: The time + effort that = the rewards.
Time is valuable, and at times scarce - especially as adults — to which I’d wager most players in WoW are. It’d be nice for Blizzard to treat it as such.