any experienced monks here got some good caster mw monk builds. I know to still do melee damage but just curious if its viable and worth it as I prefer casting then fist weaving to do extra dps on down time. thanks
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Just change AT to CF, chiji to yulon, 3 faeline talents to other 3 talents.
It is viable but when facing a lot of mobs, fw just faeline and spam sck, caster build need to manually heal.
Fw provide constantly heal but caster build only heal when needed.
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You can check out my build I have always play caster class hit pretty high IO last season doing decent this season.
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thank you both! def will try your builds on my mw monk
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This is my M+ build, it’s more of a hybrid. I have a lot of fun with it. I haven’t done a ton of keys this season but I have done mostly 17-19s and I think there’s a 20 in there.
it’s “viable” in the sense that you can complete, keys. but it’s actually trolling to run such a build in any real key. i would just play a different healer or learn the ancient teachings/faeline stomp build.
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Under this logic, it’s trolling to run anything that isn’t currently meta. Why would anyone play X class when they can play Y class that does more damage or brings better utility? Because they enjoy it.
Unless the OP wants to push into the highest echelon of keys, let them play the way they want without the judgmental comments. There are no other classes that heal using anything comparable to the channel-focused CF build.
The MW community has gotten so toxic - what the heck happened?
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At this point it’s not about viability but common sense and convenience.
M+ doesn’t need a ton of healing (which is what the CF+tear builds excel at) and if you’re gonna use spinning crane kick as a caster, you might as well pick faeline and do healing.
If your only concern is keeping people alive then it doesn’t matter which build you use, but if you want synergy between your damage and healing then the melee build is the obvious choice.
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Yeah but some of us find the spin to win healing set up to be mind numbingly boring and don’t want to do it.
Some of us heal predominantly pug groups and you often need that extra throughput or rarely have time to DPS.
Just bc you don’t think M+ doesn’t require a lot of healing doesn’t mean others share that experience.
How about you let people play the way that is fun for them and stop caring so much unless they end up in your random group.
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because people running troll builds give MW a bad reputation. i can’t play this DH without seeing a bunch of braindead builds by MW’s despite playing favorites inviting them because i know how cracked they should be.
and AT/FLS/Chi’ji build literally does MORE than enough healing to match every healing requirement in the game. it’s asinine to suggest that you get more out of CF in M+, you quite literally do not.
It’s almost as if different people enjoy different plays styles or are maybe not as experienced as others. Who would have thought. In the end it does not matter.
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I go back and forth and play both, but I prefer a caster build on tyrannical especially because not all bosses allow good uptime to melee.
Bosses like Shade, Yazma, Deios, EN council boss, can easily have prolonged periods off the boss.
Some trash has high single target healing as well like in Waycrest with Etch.
And keys don’t even have timers this season so all that matters is surviving, which I feel a caster build can be safer in pugs (not saying better). Extra dps is always good of course, but it’s hard to fail a timer as it is.
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The current state of the MW forums, a reenactment, but this time on art forums.
Person A: Hey! I’m a novice artist looking for tips on how to draw better shadows using pencils. I’ve tried drawing on drawing pads before, and it isn’t my thing. Thanks in advance!
Person B: Welcome! Here are some techniques I use with pencils to make more in-depth-
Person C: You’ll NEVER become a professional artist if you only do things in pencil. Pencil art is obsolete. Might as well learn what the professionals who make actual money are doing and learn to draw on a drawing pad.
Person B: They’re literally only doing it for fun. They said they didn’t like digital-
Person C: You should either quit drawing or take up a different art discipline if you don’t want to draw on a drawing pad. I would NEVER buy art that was done in pencil.
Person D: DRAWING 
PADS SHOULD BE MANDATORY
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Well I know how others feel that if you not playing melee build you doing it wrong. Honestly, I could careless how someone on the other end on my screen feels lol. Its not trolling by any means. I don’t deal with ANY groups saying omg he is a caster build kick him and I have never had anyone say are you trolling by playing caster build. I actually get invited to keys and added to friends list very often .
Right now I am right at 3200 IO and will most likely fizzle out around 3400ish this season which is fine with me I am playing a class I love the way I love to play it. I refuse to chase meta and will never pay to play a game the way someone else wants me to 
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Well said. 
PS. Love the art analogy. Pencil drawings will always be better.
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In random PuG in m+ (without voice communication), caster build is always better than fw in terms of survival. However, if party with ppl with io > 2500, normally all ppl will do mechanic correctly, so fw is a better build which can end the key faster. I use caster build if i know i need to heal thru the miss mechanic. This season 3, Bliz have buff fw very very very much compare to previous 2 seasons.
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Yup, the pencil drawing analogy is the best I have seen this explained. I know most of us on here have tried at some point to articulate this and haven’t done it quite so eloquently.
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I’m always confused when people say that. What’s supposed to be hybrid? Because it’s RM and not ToM? If you’re going CF+RM, that’s definitely a “caster build”, no? Or maybe hybrid equals casting in melee and full caster stays at range? (So full caster would be ToM…)
Always a bit weird to me that we need to make the distinction for different CF builds, we should just call them CF+RM or CF+ToM. I don’t really see where the “hybrid” is when you either have AT or you don’t 
(I’m ignoring the ridiculous discussions of AT>CF, this community would be so much better without it…)
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The hybrid is just from talents that incentivize dps abilities in the rotation for healing purposes. That could be AT, AF, RM, or LC. Adding granularity by limiting it to one talent just makes the entire concept more nebulous.
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Hybrid just means you stay in melee bc you still rely heavily on rising mists to help spread renewing mists around. The CF/Tear build has no melee requirements to maintain full uptime on their heals.