Can you all stop with the P2W "argument"? Let's debate

I agree about the PVP part.

Everything else I don’t. If things are bind on pick up there was never much value to them anyway, monetarily. If you’re talking about how people feel about them having gear that other people have it… ireally don’t care.

People could always buy bind on equip. By the strictest of definitions that could also be considered pay-to-win by your definition of pay-to-win.

In the PVE environment I don’t understand why people care so much about what other people have and the value of said thing because other people have it. It’s just a game with pixel computer generated drops. It’s not cryptocurrency

It breaks the integrity of the game by creating an unequal playing field in the game.

It supports the unethical practice of buying wins, accolades and rewards instead of earning them legitimately.

It creates a deceitful narrative where people look like they earned ‘wins’, accolades and rewards that they didn’t.

It tarnishes the legitimately earned rewards by casting doubt on their legitimacy.

And it still blows my mind that people don’t comprehend these very basic ethical considerations. Just how corrupt are people these days?

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if i know gd, there’s going to be that random poster who pops in just to say “you dont speak for me, im okay with it”

gotta wait its going to happen

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Then you are completely out of touch with the mass majority of the player base and your opinion of if it’s p2w isn’t relevant.

Stop calling it pay to win when it all comes down to “pay to advance faster.” To win would be to reach an end and no modern game reaches an end.

It’s P2Advance or P2Progress

It blows my mind while you think that I hold the same values or even think that these things matter in the grand scheme.

It’s easy to SAY it breaks the Integrity of the game. How? Boe and boas exist. Did korthia break the Integrity of the game by allowing alts to catch up without doing the hard work?

Philosophy is like beliefs and faith… they are not Universal truths.

by swiping your credit card lol

:popcorn:

:cookie: (Left a Cookie for Grumbles.)

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Once again why does that matter?

I’m not advocating for these things I am simply challenging people’s assumptions that these are bad.

A boost in power isn’t P2W only because it’s temporary? What P2W game doesn’t have temporary power tied to the store? Why wouldn’t a P2W game make their new gear stronger than their old gear in incentivize purchases.

BoE is also P2W it’s just they aren’t strong enough to have a big enough impact. But in cases like corruption gear it was full blow P2W.

because you can get the following with gold purchased from a token:

  • Gladiator
  • Cutting Edge
  • KSM
  • Any mounts
  • Anything on auction house
  • Anything on black market

The forums, the forums are the most hurt of all. Because we must endure this argument nightly until Blizzard finally caves.

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Stop being ashamed to admit it. WoW is P2W, it’s not the end of the world because a lot of MMO’s are P2W (Mostly in Asia) the reason people don’t complain about them is because they are F2P and WoW has a sub with bi-yearly expansions.

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P2W isn’t bad in a F2P game but sadly WoW has a Sub with expansions on top of a P2W ingame store.

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Wut?
Where did I deny it? I am responding to the dumb argument where people argue the semantics of it is p2w. That term is wrong for every game. to win is to reach the end. so what people call p2w is all pay to advance faster or progress.

Oh sorry my bad I misread what you said.

Like I said I completely understand PVP.

Who cares rich people always got the stuff off the black market. You misunderstand the point I’m trying to make is what you can do in this game is not directly impacted by boosters.

I promise you no one is losing their raid spots due to boosters because you going to find out very quickly theyre garbage.
You’re not going to miss out on doing that Quest because they took all the tags.

Point I’m trying to make is there’s nothing in this game you can’t get without paying because they paid. I have hit gold cap without ever buying a wow token. you can do everything that token buyers can do.

In the end I would argue that they lose because they wasted money

The problems comes when you average joe buys boosts to earn achievements they were never meant to get or when hardcore players use gold to get an advantage ontop of their work to get even further ahead than other players. Before the WoW Token I was fine with people buying boosts with gold because it was a legit endgame to earn gold for raid carries it’s only when money is involved that it becomes a problem.

If gold is so easy to come by why do we need the wow token? this kinda defeats the whole argument of the token making the game more accessible if it’s already easy to get.

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I actually don’t understand why people need wow token gold. Perhaps is just blatant human laziness?

Probably the same reason why people boost.

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what? isn’t it clear? P2W= Pay to win = you pay money, thus you win… you pay 50 dollars to buy some tokens and you get carried through all the content you want, WoW is a content game. M+ and PVP Tournaments are free of the P2W economy, other than that, everything is P2W. dont you get payed millions in gold to give items in Heroic runs for the world first race?