Call me out when you see this. Iâll tell you what amazing thing Blizzard did to win back my affections. I canât wait to find out what itâll be.
Whatever they do to bring me back, itâll be great for soloers because Iâm mainly leaving due to having nothing left to do and no promise of more to do in Dragonflight.
If you see an announcement that Archaeology is making a return, expect me to pop up that day. Iâm plenty outraged, but that has nothing to do with me unsubscribing, as much as Iâd like for it to be about my feelings.
They failed to make sufficient content for me this expansion, and next expansion isnât looking good either. Thatâs all it comes down to. If that gets fixed, Iâm back again.
lol
now, if only they didnt have a four expansion history now of NOT listening and doing exactly opposite of what should have been doneâŚthen doubling down and and even lowering themselves to insulting their paying customers.
Respect is given until its lost.
when its lost, you have to EARN it back.
Till then, you dont get it.
Well yes of course
Why? Because âTrade chatâ is a forum as well - a good way to remind yourself of these things is by looking at the definition of a forum; âa meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.â
What I am referring to, are the folks who actively play the game, not the ones talking about the game - I am a hardcore WoW player, but I donât even get close to the hours put into the actual game as some of my guildmates, I know a person who has leveled every single race combination of hunters possible, I think twice or three times over now
Thatâs the type of player who actively plays the game, but we donât see 'em because they do their own thing, its a MMO - this is how you play 'em, you play 'em the way you see fit
Yahâ, of course folks will talk about Blizzard being stupid when they are stupid, which happens a lot ⌠but it doesnât happen nearly as frequently as folks like to pretend it does, or even the way folks argue about the whole thing
But the active playerbase, those are always going to be the silent majority - even if you get a few thousand people looking or reading at a thread here, yahâ it is big and part of it will have elements thatâs representative of the larger playerbase but⌠even a few thousand pales to the millions of active players
Point is as simple as this ultimately: folks will complain on forums, because thatâs where people go to complain - whilst others level a fourth set of hunters from every single race, all whilst waiting to be able to do it all over again once DF releases
Yeah Iâm sure that if I quoted your points out of context I could make you look like a moron, too.
Emphasis on reputation here, genius. Itâs going to be the same thing as reputations. I doubt theyâre going to attach power to renown the same way they did with Shadowlands.
There arenât any systems from Shadowlands in Dragonflight. There isnât an AP grinding system. If these were part of the game, theyâd be in there already because they are core features. They are not in alpha, so itâs safe to assume that they wonât be. This is not rocket science, my guy. Borrowed power systems and covenants have been the largest points of contention for the player base and Blizzard has already openly committed to more evergreen systems. I understand that we donât trust Blizzard here, but the outrage that would come from them sneaking in systems that they already confirmed wouldnât be in the game would be catastrophic.
Unless Blizzard has an entirely different build they plan on releasing for the beta that looks nothing like the alpha, itâs not going to be in the game. Your emphasis on:
Is just your weird obsession with marketing buzzwords. It means nothing.
Kinda hard to do that when pally (ret specifically) looks worse than it has been in the last 3 xpacs.
Retribution has been a dumpater spec for 7+ years, and it will be 10+ if they go into live the way the tree is now.
We have no
Group utility
Movement
Defensive cdâs
Most rets lose utility compared to other xpacs
Loss of LoH
Mediocre damage
And even though they know paladins as a whole (vast majority) hate the steed we have to spend FOUR talents to make it worse than what we have now.
I was excited for DF but as of right now whats happening to paladins on the talent treeâs is very very very disheartening
Edit: heck rets even have talent that makes our consecration do 10 extra damage for a whopping 81 per tickâŚ
Oh lets not forget the ret talent that makes consecration heal friendly targets for 61 per sec, yes that is also a talent and yea I did say 61⌠just 61⌠for a talent pointâŚ
And dont get me started on the 2% speed and avoidence talent.
But its ok blizzard removed one of the most asked for pally abilities to come back, long arm of the law. They brought it back and everyone was excited, then they immediately removed it. What they said for their reason was not only insulting but incredibly eye opening to the fact that blizz lied to us again. They are not listening, nor will they ever.
Huge amounts of feedback given on feral, almost all of it saying the same thing.
No changes other than swapping two talents around.
When we say âBlizzard is not listeningâ it is because in this, the record shortest alpha, which will be followed by the record shortest beta, they are not listening.
When you list this
Those are all great things.
Thatâs basically us getting the profession overhaul that we were supposed to get for Shadowlands (lol remember that?) and them undoing lots of things they shouldnât have ever done in the first place.
The biggest issue Dragonflight has now is that I fully expect Blizzard to âkind ofâ follow through on their promises. They will âkind ofâ take some small amounts of feedback. They will âkind ofâ stay away from borrowed power. They will âkind ofâ avoid forced and mandatory grinds⌠but I do think there will be some levels of borrowed power and mandatory grinds by the end of the expansion.
Timegating is still here.
Vault of disapointment is still here.
And ion said in the Hazel interview that the dev team is happy with how both of those things were working. Iâm pretty sure that these by themselves is going to end up as a mandatory grind. Unlock your disapointment slot and get your timegated valor are, by themselves, mandatory grinds and lock you into several mostly disliked system loops.
At this point âcautiously optimisticâ is really the best that most people can do.
Blizzard is fantastic at grasping failure at the last possible moment, and they do NOT have a lot of time to polish Dragonflight.
Youâre asking people who have invested years of their hard earned money to stop giving feedback on a product theyâve enjoyed for years.
You do understand that negative comments and or complaints is not something a corporation such as Blizzard should ignore if they value their fans and the I.PâŚ
I get tired of people saying stuff like this and shilling for a corporation such as Blizzard, Marvel or Disney.
If itâs garbage, itâs garbage and it should be said until they fix it or adjust course. If they donât want to take that route then come out and say it, and stop stringing your fans along for as much money as you can get and if DF turns out to be un-fun. Iâm done with Blizzard and any product they produce.
Here is hoping LOL will meet expectations if DF fails.
Im not badmouthing them for no reason. Things need to be talked about. God knows ret players have tried for years, we just keep being ignored.
But like the poster above said if DF is bad im out on all blizz products. The story, art, music etc could all be amazing but if my favorite spec remains ignored and forgotten for over 10 years that is pathetic. Nobody would enjoy any game if the avatar they experience it through feels terrible to play, which ret undoubtedly has for many years.
Problem is, Blizz has lost a lot of customer faith, and they should be doing everything in their power to build it back. However, every time theyâve had an easy win, they have somehow bottled it. They want us to believe they have changed, but have done things that show evidence they are just the same old Blizz. Players will only believe them so much before they realize itâs the same song and dance they have been pulling for the last several years.
For sure, and for what itâs worth, I do think the talent tree situation is arguably the most pressing issue right now. However, I also think itâs important to recognize that the average player will probably not scrutinize these systems in the way we do on the forums. Most people just play the game to have fun and they arenât focused on the more minute details on their class or character.
Compared to the many things Iâve listed being removed from Shadowlands, I would say that they are far more pressing issues because they are much more invasive on the moment-moment gameplay and experience for the average player. The fact that they are being removed does tell me that, to some extent, Blizzard is listening. Blizzard could have buckled down on their design philosophy with Legion, BfA, and Shadowlands and they didnât.
Blizzard should listen to players, I 100% agree with this. Ultimately, them listening will almost always lead to a better experience for everyone even if the average person doesnât realize it, but I donât think some talent trees being somewhat broken are emblematic of the game being ruined, which is more or less my issue. Perhaps this is just my experience with the game obfuscating the issue, but Iâve hardly ever known this game to not have broken talent trees for some classes. Itâs not exactly surprising that the same issue persists.
Does that excuse it? No. Is it a death knell for the game? Hardly.
I never asked anyone to stop giving feedback. I asked everyone to stop being drama queens about the state of Dragonflight.
So many of you keep calling me a shill without understanding that Iâm in the same position as you. I am severely skeptical of Blizzardâs ability to make Dragonflight a good expansion. I understand that it being alpha means nothing in the larger scope of WoWâs development. Iâm just saying that I do think, all things considered, Dragonflight is in a much better state than Shadowlands is.
My whole intent with this thread was to call out the exaggerated outrage, not shill for Blizzard.
Yah. But rest assured, something uber irritating is going in there. There will be a funnel - there always is. These people are not making a console game that you buy once and enjoy forever. They donât have to have a quality open-world experience - cheaper to promise updates that never arrive.
You will NOT be left alone to consider it objectively - you might notice the source of the stream of steamy diarrhea youâve been swimming around in - nope, just funneled into repetitive âcontent.â
If and when that happens, then I will gladly eat my words and call out Blizzardâs nonsense. However, I think the important thing to understand here is that many MMO systems are generally built on repetition. I donât mind repetition. I mind what Iâm getting in return to do that repetition.
If itâs some arbitrary power grind the same way azerite/artifact power were? Garbage.
If itâs something more meaningful? Thatâs a little better.
As it stands, nothing about the former is in the game.
Until i know theres a decent path for solo players to gear up, and not by forcing us in to their M+, Raids, or PvP, i have zero plans on buying, or even wanting to play DF.
