Can we stop with the gloom and doom about Dragonflight?

Look, I get it. Blizzard, and by extension World of Warcraft, have both been complete dumpster fires. I do not blame a single person for their skepticism towards Dragonflight being positioned as the saving grace for this game. I am a skeptic. I’ve spent years flaming Blizzard for their terrible design choices in-game.

But for the love of god, can we stop acting like Blizzard is not listening just because they changed a few things on the PTR?

Seriously, take a step back and look at everything we’ve complained about for years and look at what Dragonflight is doing in response:

No mandatory/forced grinds
No borrowed power
No system oversaturation
No covenants
Massive profession overhauls
A larger emphasis on open world play/better open world design
Evergreen systems

Is this your idea of them not listening? I don’t know. Maybe I’m focusing more on the larger picture here rather than details most people won’t care to pay attention to when the game goes live.

Of course, I don’t think this means everything’s fine. Criticism should always be allowed and I would never fault people for criticizing Blizzard for making questionable changes. But my god, please stop assuming Dragonflight is doomed and in the same position as Shadowlands was. By these merits alone, Dragonflight is already in a significantly better state than Shadowlands could ever be.

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I’m not buying it until the reviews come out. I’ve stopped pre-ordering Blizzard expansions.

I’m pissed as hell that the little kobold (By kobold i mean D&D style kobold small little bipedal dragon kin, not the ridiculous rat thing wow has) pet is pre-order only, but even that’s not going to get me to pre-order what could potentially be equally just as awful as the last two expansions.

Blizzards season 4 of shadowlands isn’t exactly instilling me with much hope either.

They are well known for making all the promises in the world during the transition period between expansions then the moment they have your money just dropping everything and ignoring it.

I don’t know why you are surprised people are not all “Happy happy joy joy” with the new expansion.

They’ve already shown several times in the last two months they clearly are -not- listening to the player base.

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Well,the proof is in the pudding as they say,prove it isn’t gloom and doom when years have gone by and that is actually what we seen. So NO.

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I never expected people to be excited? I even acknowledged this in my post.

I’m just saying that, in the larger scope of the game, Dragonflight is still looking a lot better than Shadowlands could ever be by the fact alone that the many things we’ve found problematic with the game’s design are not in Dragonflight.

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Why would we stop the doom and gloom when Blizzard is still making terrible design choices against player feedback without communicating anything to players?

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Since I’ve been playing monster hunter I kinda feel like that gif of Stan Lee just listening to music while Spiderman is fighting someone in the background when it comes to just not focusing on all the drama.

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Shadowlands was supposedly looking “a lot better than BFA” too, and we all saw how that turned out.

I don’t think Blizzard needs to be given praise for doing the absolutely bare minimum.

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Its what they did with Shadowlands and Dragonflight already. They did the bare minimum to get content creators and influencers to praise the game and drive up preorders then pulled the out the ol bait and switch once copies were sold.

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??? Shadowlands was deemed terrible from the moment Sylvanas ripped the Helm of Domination in half.

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You’re asking to trust them on the basis that they’ve failed 2 expansions in a row and have cut 2 expansions short so far. Even if they do better than Shadowlands, Shadowlands is so far at the bottom.

If they want to earn that trust back we better see the work.

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How about no.

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Gloom and doom means we have a fear that we lose something in the process as we move forward in time like watching the signs of storm heading in ,little traces show up and when it get to where you are it either hits hard or fizzles to a breeze .It is these signs the are concerning especially empty words as promises.

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I honestly don’t have any faith in wow development anymore. At the start of each new expansion we play the game the way they want us to play. No one is forcing me but it doesn’t mean I don’t feel disappointed in not having the freedom to play how I would prefer to play.

So yes I feel that gloom and doom because from what they have showed us doesn’t look any different (outside Dragon Riding, something I have no interest in) than anything we have had for the last two expansions.

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  1. The active playerbase isn’t all that active on the forums, since, you know, they are playing the game - a lot of ‘social media’ and ‘forum’ complaints aren’t stuff that folks care about
  2. Most of the complaints have always been and will always be folks nitpicking about this or that or another, and you can always turn something into a negative, and if you even for a moment consider the positive elements of it, you get called a fanboy, a chill, or any myriad of other elements to that

Sorry but if your estimation of “Blizzard doesn’t listen to its playerbase because of forum complaints”, then you’ll always be miserable because that’s the only thing you’ll find on social media in relation to Blizzard, regardless of whatever they do
I mean c’mon, when folks start to make the charity pets into negatives because they are crystal clear in their communication (at people’s request as well) then that got turned to a negative as well

And this kinda proves the point ultimately
Honestly, the setup for SL wasn’t good but they could’ve done something good with it, but folks had no interest in it, so they scrapped what they had planned and moved the majority of the team to the next expansion

MMOs takes time to develop, and with the development time of WoW it means that when folks complained about AP in Legion, we got a slimmed down version of it in BFA, still didn’t work out, so they went with an ‘in general’ system in BFA with covenants and as folks had been asking for ‘meaningful choices’, they revisited choices like “Aldor or Scryer” from TBC and made covenants that - didn’t work out since folks didn’t want to have meaningful choices tied to their characters in this way

So, what are they doing in DF? They are taking every lesson they have learned from the past 3 expansions and turning it into two different systems:

  1. Cosmetic dragon riding
  2. Overhauling professions with ‘meaningful’ talent trees

Both of these have been viewed with interest and excitement because they have been listening to what folks have been saying, even if it takes time to develop the systems required to build these things
When folks started going off on the covenants in the SL Alpha, at that point it was too late - SL was shipping with covenants and powers tied to them because one couldn’t rework the entire expansion in that short of a time period, that’s just the nature of modern MMO development and gaming; I don’t like it, but I know about it, so I don’t get as badly affected by it

At the end of the day, this is a game - you don’t like it, then don’t play it
Offer fair criticism and critique but don’t go overboard, but ultimately the problem is that this isn’t an easy thing to explain en masse because negativity spreads faster than positivity, especially when you can just post a meme such as “Fun detected, nerf it” and everyone who likes negativity gets a kick from it, whereas longer explanations such as these can explain everything but…
You can’t make a meme out of it, that shows why and how someone is wrong, and why something is a good thing, when it requires more of a complicated and complex understanding of how system interact with each others

Its entirely fair to not be hyped for DF, but, the idea of “They failed these times ergo I am not hyped” is disingenuous at best - BFA and SL did have successes, but they can’t be quantified within’ a meme, thus’ they can’t be seen as having any successes or positive elements to it
Heck, Legion was easily one of if not WoW’s best expansion to date, but folks just think of Legion in terms of a “Savior” and not with its own serious issues, and when folks mention its role either as a savior or its flaws, it always boils down to meme:ification of it

Eh, I think it’s a fair criticism, though. The forums are meant for feedback and it’s on Blizzard to listen to them.

I think people are right to get frustrated with Blizzard, but my point is that Dragonflight, from a design perspective, is antithetical to everything we have come to hate about Shadowlands. These issues have been the reason why people hate the game and the removal of these issues makes Dragonflight already positioned in a better place.

Many of the critiques about Blizzard’s decisions are valid, but I think if these are realistically the only things we have to complain about, then I would wager Dragonflight is in a much better state than we give credit for.

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Asking people to stop doom and gloom is like asking people to stop being degenerates on MG.

They’re just going to doom and gloom even harder out of spite.

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I’m not buying until after release. Because they have told us before they are doing “xyz”, but then they don’t. Also why are garrison tables a thing? When they came out in wod not a si gle person loved it. And every expansions since people had told them please stop. And yet there they are. So I’m a wow fan, I really want to love the game and enjoy playing. I really hope they do all the good things they say. But they have lied before. And they must earn trust back.

You’re playing the class that is almost up to 20 blue posts in alpha communication.

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Are mission tables in DF? I was under the impression that they weren’t.

Nah we’re gonna keep dooming. Why are you throwing a cape on for a billion dollar company that doesn’t give a damn about you?

You need to rethink your principals.

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