Trying to get some guild members who dont pvp into the bg scene. Back to back bene premades, full res, we got camped at the GY. If yall want to grow your pvp scene, you have to set up some match making, you are idiots for allowing this.
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How do you know it’s premades? I feel as though people say any team that is winning is a premade. I have literally seen people type it in chat multiple times when the other team is various people from disparate servers…
Anyway, I’m actually firmly opposed to dislike towards premades. Stop throwing, giving up, and not reviving, and start coordinating and playing towards the objectives and all these problems go away.
Also, if anybody knows of any of these so-called fully bis premades who are coordinating regular random BGs in discord with professional level strats, please do share some of the details of locating them.
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To be fair, does it even matter? The result is the same for the hordlings giving bg pvp a shot.
GY camping stomps are lame as all hell for a minimum of half the players (and being on the giving end of countless of them also lame as hell for the person wearing the stompin boots), and they only work to kill what little pvp scene remains, by discouraging players from bothering… No one wants to wait 15min to get gy camped… then wait another 15min to get camped.
Cap the premades at 1x 5man per bg for 10-15players, and put every horde and alliance into the same queu pool so BGs start spawning mixed faction.
-People can still premade
-Premades can still stomp… and frankly a good 5man still will
-Pugs will actually have a chance since it’s only a 5man instead of 10-15players
-The current faction imbalance will be largely addressed for the pug scene in case the stomping wasn’t being done by premades.
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Yes.
Just stop throwing games.
You seem to be genuinely not understanding that them giving up or not giving up will have -=ZERO=- impact on the outcome of the game.
They’re already getting farmed into the dirt. They aren’t going to magically stop getting farmed into the dirt when they’re now mass rezzing in teh same aoeable area by the entire opposing team that’s already flat out dumpstered the entirety of their team at least once.
Also, quit trying to derail the thread… it has nothing to do with people trying or not.
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But you see if they did that premades would actually have to fight other premades and they hate doing that.
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Bro, everybody has been playing this game for like 20 years. It’s not much of a question at this point. Yes, the devs catered to the throwers for SoD.
Just stop throwing games, and play for the objectives. Then games are fun. It’s the whiners throwing, calling for people to “Just stop reviving.” “Just let them cap.” That completely ruin the experience for everybody.
Had a horde mask game we all tried to win we went objectifs then they just killed us and send us GY and farmed us easy games for premades. SOD has nothing to do with it. BG dont pop there since weeks and not because of premades but everyone quit for MOP. In sod you get punish by blizzard for saying let them cap or throw games.
Oh, you lost a match?
stacks should never go against randos in ANY game. I dont care if that means the stacks have 200 year long queues. The vast majority of people nowadays who pvp in any game are solo q-ers. Cater to them.
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The hamfisted attempts at gaslighting about and deflecting from the thread topic are getting stale man.
Having been here since og vanilla beta, I can say without a doubt, this is the worst state I’ve ever personally witnessed casual bgs in… with only two exceptions coming close…
- Current anniversary where there’s basically no pvp
- SoD, where PvP just sucked because of class design imbalances
Cata-Mop’s issue is straight player talent and racial power causing a dramatic power differential between the average pugs of the respective factions. It wasn’t even anywhere near this bad in OG WoD, which was the last time pvp ladder balance got this out of whack… This has spread to infect even the casual pvp experience, and fairly CATAstrophically. The closest thing I’ve ever seen to this is specific pvp server faction balance. They all start fairly even in vanilla, but as one side starts gaining a foothold, the problem begins to snowball.
Right now, ANYONE playing horde that wants to pvp is in for a very very bad experience, and flat out “lost on the character select screen”… I’m one of the most stubborn people I’ve ever met, and been trying to get this one specific wow issue now addresses in roughly 5 years of retail and classic progression… and even I am just tired of blizzard being too incompetent as a company to try and fix it. They don’t care, because they can sell you a $55 faction/server xfer to fix it or a $60 boost to get around it.
If you don’t see that, you’re either playing a main on alliance, mentally impared, or willfully ignorant. We’ve had 20 years of this game and most random bg pugs can’t even figure out not to immediately hit the ONE GUY OUT OF FIVE that is currently ccd at a base… There’s ZERO chance your feckless “have them pull themselves up by their bootstraps” tripe is going to suddenly make them start 1v5ing a premade on their own.
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Well, I think that now that we’re at MoP, an argument that “Classic” should focus on the things that make Classic classic, like the hardships that are lessened by going it together isn’t quite a strong one… so maybe you have a point.
I will say though that I don’t believe you that you’re facing full premade after full premade that are coordinated in discord with bis gear. I honestly just don’t even think that’s happening. Maybe it is! But every match? C’mon… and how come your experiences are so much different from mine?
This is far from the first time this conversation has been had, and I’m curious, if there are all these premades, where do we fine them?
The ones that I’ve seen are literally any level of geared (usually a lot of fresh 85s) who happen to be in the same guild, and aren’t even in Discord. The major “advantage” that they have, if you can call it that, is ensuring they have a healer.
In any case, people who queue BGs and then complain if they lose, call for others to stop trying, and complain, complain, complain really just drag everybody down. BGs are a lot of fun when people step up and actually try. Overcoming an almost certain defeat is a huge underdog struggle, but some of the best game around.
Yeah sure thing buddy. SoD devs catered so hard to the throwers, I quit playing it. It was an absolutely horrible experience and I don’t want to be playing the same version of the game as those players.
If you’re throwing BGs, you shouldn’t be queuing. Give throwers a 10-day BG suspension, and perma-ban if it happens 3 times, and I don’t think we’ll be seeing any more of these premade threads anymore.
Calling someone mentally impaired for having a different opinion from yours is highly inappropriate.
So is gaslighting, trolling, and purposely trying to derail threads, but here we are.
Also was it one of the options, not necessarily the one that represents you… though it did seem to hit a nerve. I was betting more on you being willfully ignorant as a method of trolling, however.
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Some false information here i understand, you cant win a match without a premades that fine. But i won vs premades as a pug since they dont use discord sometimes. Stop putting sod into this you dont even play it. Class balance is fine in SOD it’s like cata/mop. You should be hating mop then ?
I stopped playing SoD because of the culture that is cultivated by the devs catering to complainers. It’s not fun to play with people who are throwing games, giving up, arguing with teammates and just not trying.
I thought class balance was ok in SoD. I’m not sure why you’re telling me I should be complaining. I am just rejecting the premise of this thread, as I don’t believe it to be a genuine issue, and that it would go away if there were BG suspensions/bans for throwers.
Yes they implant that in Sod after you quit sad you missed it. In phase 8, everyone tried. However. I think, Op can counter cordinate premade them sound like the best solution also mop have rated bgs and he can queue for that. Doudt removing premade is the good way for this issue in that i do agree with you.
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Keep the premades, send them against other premade… Its not healthy for the game to get uberstomped by a premade when you are new, its just not. I have been in discord premades, guild premades, its funny to roffle stomp kids, but overall its awful for the game.