Can we stop hating on Shadowlands? This is the best WoW expansion to date

It do agree that to an extent it would be nice to have top players participating in the development of the game, but that is a slippery slope with many downsides that could be introduced. I’m just advocating for player power to be nested in the class and not borrowed power to keep things more consistent.

I hear you on the little guy, got one myself. Like yourself my gametime has been cut down significantly but I have been blessed with a solid sleeper so I am able to squeeze in time before bed on most nights. That said, I am really competitive and swings in power really urk me because my playtime is constrained, hence my position on this.

Keep up that good fight. :100:

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ion, is that u?

I enjoy this expansion a lot, but it’s probably not because of anything this expansion did in particular.

It’s more because i’ve become rather good friends with one of my guild mates lately, and we’ve been doing all of our chores together, and it’s been a blast.

When i look at this expansion objectively, it’s miles ahead of BFA. People call this expansion “Systemlands” and i seriously don’t get it. We don’t have azerite, we don’t have essences, we don’t have corruption We just have our covenant abilities and soulbind trees to think about, and it’s really easy.

cyberpunk was a top seller too btw

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10/10 would feel a couple seconds of outrage before laughing again.

source?

/10char

While I agree that having that many people subbed was great, how long did that last? And how many of them were/are still subbed because of classic? SL isnt good IMO, even from a lore standpoint it changes way too much. If you didnt like WoD but think SL is better then you must not see how its been that way since WoD. They keep brining back things people didnt like with that expansion and refuse to remove it!

Cult-like extremism where they will try to make you look like a bad person for not 100% agreeing with them and/or questioning them the very least, and will even go to war (metaphorically or literally in worst case scenarios) with you all the while trying to make it look like a morally justifiable and good thing or in the right while putting down the other side as evil morally, regardless if they come across as hypocritical and/or just as bad or worse then the ones they are against to any normal person looking in? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

“Yeah, how dare these people follow what that other person said about this game. Why don’t people follow what i have to say about this game?!”… /s

Self awareness folks! :crazy_face: :hammer:

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Fast selling just means its hot garbage.

It’s Tupac!

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Hating on wow xpacs is tradition.
You should just treat it the same way you treat your friends that complain about being 30 and having bad knees or the people who complain about paying taxes.

Look. I’ll defend SL until the day I die. But this is objectively untrue.

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Omg you’re probably right.

You are either a really skillful troll, or simping pretty hard.

The drop in game quality from MoP to WoD (presumptively due to Ion’s poor direction) was the beginning of the end for this game, with Legion being a fluke that they pulled off because they knew they had to.

Response to this expansion has been so poor, and updates are coming so late, that I suspect that this expansion may end in 9.2 or 9.2.5 while they rush to put out the next expansion.

Sales and subscriptions are related of course but not the same thing. And even so, we don’t have any official numbers on subscription retention. There must be a reason why Blizzard is not publishing these sorts of figures any more, and I assume that is because the WoD and BfA numbers are so low compared to expansions like MoP and WotLK.

Wouldn’t quite call it skill…

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Feels like it has been a vicious cycle. The first big hit being BFA launch for deadlines. (WoD was a colossal failure but I am unsure of all the details. I was paying more attention at BFA launch) The thing is whoever is the poison that seeped into BFA ended up putting unrealistic expectations on the team more than likely and in the end lashed out at the employees.

A cycle of unrealistic expectations (including budget more so with SL. Potentially the number of employees too? They can most definitely afford more employees to deliver a better product.) then turning around blaming employees and cutting their jobs. That’s why this whole situation seems unfair. I don’t know who the poison is but they should be looking into the person/people that make the deadlines and budget. Not only are they killing their employees they are killing off their customerbase.

All the while more of these people that have been cut had passion/drive/love for the game replaced with employees who have no real business being there. (This doesn’t mean all new employees… just some of these people I seen hired over the past couple of years are most definitely questionable and have no relevance in the gaming industry.) I keep hearing from numerous people, “how disconnected Blizzard has become.”

Setting unrealistic expectations, shift blame, fire employees, hire new ones. Cut, budget, cut employees, cut, cut. People don’t like these cuts and I think it should be very apparent. Numbers on people watching their new products show this. Numbers on subscribers show this. Numbers cannot lie.

I wish the cycle would stop and they would take a hard look at whoever really is the one making these choices as they are genuinely the real poison that is killing this game and work environment.

Blizzard should work on fixing itself, before even trying to consider what is wrong with the community.

While I disagree completely with the OP, his/her responses and counter arguments seem quite believable and realistic for a person who simps that way. The unskillful trolls are a little more over-the-top and obvious.

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OP is one of the most notorious (and skillful) trolls this forum has had recently. He/she keeps coming back with a new character name.

OH it’s tupac…known for saying whatever will get the biggest reaction. When SL was new and everybody was on board he was hating it and got a lot of pushback then when people started hating SL he flipped and started saying it was the greatest xpac.

Terrible troll is terrible.

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See this is the problem, people just treat this like some sort of relationship so they get all frustrated and make it personal.

This is JUST a game, and if you find yourself constantly blaming the company then it’s time to find a new one.

WoW is FINE, and I refuse to believe the game’s low population count as Blizzard has never released their subscriber count.