Can we stop doing the same dance over and over about AV?

You’ll consistently complain until TBC to change AV and it’ll already be tampered by the time the expansion is rereleased. The AV threads are just going in circles in full force, meanwhile nothing of the AV map is going to change until the time it’s supposed to be which is TBC. Nothing is going to be accomplished by all the whining of that one particular battleground, Blizzard most certainly noticed all the mass complaints about the map due to the alleged “imbalance” of the map towards the Alliance faction. This is an enlightenment of me being baffled by others thinking that if they QQ hard enough that they’ll sway Blizzard’s sentiment towards the battleground situation to their behalf. However, I would prefer that they resort to not changing anything until the time is right to when it should be tampered with which is TBC. #NoChanges (yes there have already been changes unfortunately, but I’d like to keep it as minimally as possible)

Like 95% of the threads in this forum are all about going over and over the same thing. I could make a list of these things but there is no point. It’s pretty much always the same.

I’m not a huge fan of talking about AV for like 100+ posts so I don’t read all of those threads but if people want to debate the BG they can.

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The whole point of these forums is to discuss the game.

As much as I wish we could say “that issue is solved, no more” that’s simply not how they work.

Remember, we have classic because people refused to stop asking when told no.

No.

I’m sure this thread complaining about people complaining will stop all future posts dead in their tracks

Always the side who benefited that make this argument. “I know you made changes to help my faction but I’d prefer if you didn’t make anymore changes that might help the other faction”

Wonder why

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LAYER ARUGAL!!!

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No. Classic was inevitable ever since TBC came out and the precedent for the cycling 2 year obsoletion bomb was set.

Yet, Blizzard did make changes to AV. They stopped Premading, which was something that we did fairly often in Vanilla, so it was accurate to exist. They also changed the druids to not be holdable. They changed honor at the caves, once it came to light that some Alliance premades were slaughtering Horde there. I’m sure I’m forgetting some other changes.

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We’re going to keep asking for game-breaking imbalances to be corrected in the same way game-breaking premades were fixed (despite them being true to Vanilla). Not to mention, if today’s AV meta existed in Vanilla, the devs would have fixed it ASAP.

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Move that cave back were it belongs. We should be meeting in the field of strife not at the SH ramp. Do Horde really need a head start in AV? If alliance sucks so bad it shouldn’t really matter right?

QQing loud enough on the forums has a proven history of affecting changes in game. Blizzard admitted that the bear nerfs of patch 2.0.10 were solely due to warriors QQing about them on the forums and had no game data to back the up.

They closed off the base back doors. They closed off the way around the IWB. Both which benefitted the alliance more than the horde.

“Game breaking”
(very same map as was in vanilla when alliance happily had a higher win rate than horde)

Are you speaking of the horde “meta” of playing the map as designed, or the alliance meta of pitching a fit that clear exploits were patched and therefore flat out refuse to try?

Thanks for ignoring the next sentence.

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What if players want to continue playing classic after TBC launches?

It would make sense to continue to fight for things if you believe they would make the game more enjoyable for everyone(mostly).

Yeah, I didn’t.

Need me to dig through the forum and source quotes to back that up, like:

It would be easy enough to quote additional posts from Graff, Zyrius, and the rest of the defeatist cheerleaders. As well as alliance L60s that are reporting the very defeatist “meta” the alliance have been playing in AV since the exploits were patched, alliance players who have been trying their hearts out with some success, but are continually dragged down by the dead weight players in their faction.

I don’t know why you seem to think a mentality is faction specific.

It doesn’t matter what faction, class, or race you play. We’re all wow players. Playing horde vs. playing alliance does not make you superior or give you a stronger mental fortitude.

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Nice strawman.
Go away.

Ah yes, a classic Misadventure rebuttable.

Will argue tooth and nail about how much better horde are than alliance and immediately cower when hit with sound logical facts.

I expected nothing less!

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id agree with you if we didnt have cross server BGs. they werent in vanilla, and premades didnt exist nearly to the extent they did in classic AV when it was being abused.

The exploitative AV premades were the begining of the end for the battleground.