I get it… I just realistically know it will not happen because even tho people talk about demo in mop this and demo in mop that… there were like 2-3 glad demos world wide s15. Even tho the spec was fantastic design wise imo and highly enjoyable… it didn’t actually increase the number of high rated demos or demo players… falling back on the earlier statement that for every xpac we gain new demos… we lose the priors. Maybe in a Xpac or 2 they keep heading deeper down the Dbolt/tyrant train and the spec starts gaining consistency but for all we know… we could be casting bubbles with a melee attack and daggers next xpac.
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Lol this thread is too funny.
The guy doesn’t like the current demo tyrant design. That’s where this conversation should have stopped. The current design does have flaws but workable.
And it’s common knowledge most like the warlock spec designs back in the legion/mop eras.
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Worganikz - You are wasting your breath man. I spent 14+ hours yesterday arguing and defending myself from None-epicburn and his lap dog Snozy. Apparently it was okay to say “Demonology is viable but not optimal”, but it was not okay to say “Demonology is viable but not reasonable”.
Also even if you played the spec they would still treat you the same. Apparently my x2 Gladiators, x1 Hero of the Horde, and x3 High Warlords including currently being a High Warlord is still not enough. Unless you sit in a dark room with a furry black cat rubbing on your face and playing 3s as life for years, then your opinion does not matter in their eyes. UNLESS, you are a lap dog. You see, Snozy over here is zero rated in 2s, 3s, and RBGs, and his honor level of 98 and honorable kill count of 5,180 shows that he is a PvE player currently, not a PvP player. His opinion is okay because he is being a lap dog. Everyone else will be dismissed in some way, shape, or form, including Ad hominem fallacies.
Also do not attempt kind words or gestures. None-epicburn will still be rude to you because he has some sort of a complex. It’s best to just write it off as a loss and move on knowing arrogant people and people with developmental disability’s exist.
None-epicburn - Let me bring something to your attention.
“Think you’re forgetting we were reworked in Legion” -Worganikz
“We were not re-worked mid legion xpac. The full spec was changed” -you
“I didn’t say mid expansion. I said in Legion.” -Worganikz
“WE WERE RE WORKED EVERY XPAC SINCE MOP, I swear I am talking to myself… I addressed it” -you
Can you see what happened there? When Worganikz said “reworked in Legion” he meant the same as your “The full spec was changed”. He did not say it was re-worked mid legion you added the mid legion, he corrected you that he didn’t say mid expansion, he said Legion. You then write in all caps which indicates certain emotions “like frustration”, and then insult him by saying “I swear I am talking to myself” like he is stupid or something. He was perfectly reasonable to correct your mid expansion addition and he wasn’t being rude about it. You however take it the wrong way and then add underhanded comments like “I swear I am talking to myself” and using caps.
You seem to be allowed to be arrogant and say rude things but people seem to not be allowed to call you on it or respond the same. It’s amusing you are so arrogant because of a few Gladiator titles, so much so that x1 and x2 Gladiators don’t even count in your book.
Here comes the tears. By the way, your name is not Epicburn, that name was taken. It is why you have a special “i” character in your name. So someone took the name you wanted, you didn’t get it.
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No one attacked you at all.
Love how yesterday it was Glad once and now its Glad twice.
RBG rating doesnt give you any credibility in Arena.
You mean the rating that you bought?
On this Char. You do realize people have other classes they play right?
190k actually
Only people who bought their ratings and think they somehow have a valid opinion aka You.
Listen my guy you did point out inconsistencies which I appreciate. Not sure the penultimate point was needed though. Epicburn is good at the game. I appreciate that he’s sticking with the spec through thick and thin. Dude looks like a normal person IRL and hopefully he lives a good life or whatever. Not sure it’s a superiority complex as much as it is just fundamentally disagreeing with me. I agree that it’s kind of dumb to gatekeep opinions since, if my point is invalid, it should be pretty easy to attack the actual point instead of my credibility. He understands what I’m saying. He admitted that he thought the MoP design was extremely enjoyable, he just doesn’t think reverting is realistic and instead wants to stick with the current design and just try to fix its shortcomings which I appreciate, but I just disagree with. I don’t think it’s anything more than that.
Also ya it’s probably pointless talking on the forums since Blizz clearly doesn’t actually read them. Plus they’re flooded with people of different opinions and sifting through which ones are more valuable isn’t plausible.
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It was actually a fan that took it… switched servers not available but people already knew me so I went with a special character to kinda continue those who already knew me.
I mentioned that we were re-worked multiple times… and he said he wanted a rework… I said its mid xpac and they won’t rework it mid xpac. I am pretty sure there was a disconnect.
You are not a x2 glad… I see 1 from TBC and its 100% ok… keep boosting.
Btw me and this dude are 100% ok
We ended on that… I was just saying he shouldn’t judge if hes not playing it. He does not enjoy the current iteration but he hasn’t played it too much… he might like it.
Yeah we Homies… Sorry Worgan he was mad yesterday and he’s just looking for someone to back him up.
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I now see why burn has the name epicburn.
They need a title called “Mic Drop”
@ish, you might as well stop posting on the forums. No one is going to take you seriously and everyone probably knows by now you were boosted.
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Why would I care that you and epicburn dislike me. Anyone can simply scroll up and start reading and will see both of you started at me first, and over literally nothing. You even forgot your original issue with me and don’t even remember what was said so you are essentially babbling.
It’s amusing you and epicburn are still trying to Ad hominem attack me and my achievements because you have no valid argument toward my point. It’s because my point was “Demonology is viable, but not reasonable in PvP currently”, and that is a point you can’t really argue over, or at-least you haven’t tried. The best Demonology is 3s right now is Kâmahlen and he is #689 at 2730 on page 7 of the leader boards, aka “logs” I was referring to that you don’t think existed. So the best Demo is on page 7 with every class and spec ahead of it besides Combat Rogues. So it’s viable because a few people can make it to the ranks, but it’s not reasonable, because you will see only 1 sometimes 2 ranked. In the 10 pages there are 2 Demonology Warlocks. Check for yourself:
You calling me a boost was something that you just pulled out of your butt because you needed to argue with me but have no ammo. Then epicburn started parroting you and tried to give an incorrect example of how I may have boosted. My High Warlord shows that I got 2100 on 1/6/2021, 2200 on 1/17/2021, 2300 on 2/7/2021, and 2400 on 2/22/2021. Where did epicburn get that I magically went from 2280 to 2401 in 1 night? My achievements clearly shows it took me 5 days to climb from 2200 to 2401 which is more than reasonable, in fact it’s slow.
I stopped queuing after making HWL because I can’t stand these elitist attitudes like epicburn has. I get my title and stop to do the things I actually want to do. I don’t care to sit with headphones on listening to a bunch of betas and no lives talking about how much better they are then the other team.
My achievements however are actually irrelevant to my original point. If you have the ability to get past ignorance then maybe you can address my original point instead of addressing me and my character. OR, we can just move on like big kids. The power is yours!
Soul Rot!
Call Dreadstalkers!
Summon Vilefiend!
Grimoire: Felguard!
Death Coil healer!
GO DEMONOLOGY!
With your powers combined I am Demonic Tyrant!
Demonic Tyrant, he’s our hero,
Gonna take the HP down to zero,
He’s our powers magnified,
And he’s fighting on the Warlocks side
Demonic Tyrant, he’s our hero,
Gonna take HP down to zero,
Gonna help him put asunder,
Bad guys who like to loot and plunder
“You’ll pay for this Demonic Tyrant!”
(chanting)
We’re the Warlocks demons,
You can be one too!
'Cause serving our master is the thing to do,
Looting and intruding is not the way,
Hear what Demonic Tyrant has to say:
“THE POWER IS YOURS!!”
You are cleary upset.
No matter how many times you post, it wont change the fact that you’re a one time glad in S1 got boosted to 2400 RBGs and changed your name.
^^^ No one is going to take you seriously now that you have been outed.
That my friend is why you have a great lack of intelligence or common sense. I remade the Captain Planet song to fit Demonology, but I’m upset? I think you are doing that thing argumentative people do to agitate who they are arguing with in an attempt to get them upset. You want me upset.
“No matter how many times you post, it wont change the fact that you’re a one time glad in S1 got boosted to 2400 RBGs and changed your name.”
Yes I made Gladiator season 1, it does not matter and is completely irrelevant. Guess what? You never made Gladiator once.
I also just explained, and you can simply go look yourself to see my HWL is not a boost. It is the weakest and most ignorant point you are hanging onto right now. You can’t just make something up that people can go verify is not true and stick with it as your way of winning arguments against that person. You do realize people see right through that and your antics show your tactics. You want me upset and you want to be able to brush me off with a single sentence. Since your curious about it, I changed my name because I was a female Undead named Hellhag, but race changed to a Orc because I missed the Hardiness racial. I went male and I’m not going to name a male “hag” which means ugly old woman. So I went with Ishmaster because I tried Wishmaster “the name of my Warlock in classic” and it was taken, so I dropped the “W” and went Ishmaster like my old WC3 DOTA name.
“No one is going to take you seriously now that you have been outed.”
I’m starting to think that if epicburn told you cat poop was nutritious then you would start eating it. If he told you it’s okay to jump off your roof I’m sure you would try it. My High Warlord shows that I got 2100 on 1/6/2021, 2200 on 1/17/2021, 2300 on 2/7/2021, and 2400 on 2/22/2021. That proves epicburns words incorrect. I don’t really care because anyone can go look at achievements for themselves, but you pointing it out and acting like you know what everyone is going to think and feel is hilarious.
“On this Char. You do realize people have other classes they play right?”
Then post on it and show us. Right now you are a Warlock with bad gear, and only PvEs. There is nothing wrong with that but why are you here bashing PvPers who are talking about PvP and not PvE? The topic is arena and you have 0 rating in arena. So a person with 1200 rating or even 6 rating has done arena in Shadowlands but you have not. Clearly you are hear to argue with people.
“190k actually”
I can click your name, click “view profile”, scroll to the bottom and it tells me your honorable kills. You have 5,180 like I said, not 190k like you say.
What are we even arguing about now? Instead of poking back and forth not helping anyone, let get to the bottom of it and settle it.
Demonology is viable, but it is not reasonable for PvP currently. Your thoughts/options/etc?
Technically it was 2290 … bc when you hit 2300 you went 1-1 and went back to 2290… meaning your teams mmr was not too far from your CR… you then went 12-7 to get 2.4 and stopped. The rest of the season looked semi normal up until this point and the name change. I merely said it looks like a boost but it might not be… in the end its rbgs so as we have previously discussed I find no value in it anyway.
I don’t have anything against you… you have gone with personal insults irl insults making comments about me streaming and my cat “Hes brown btw not black” his names Moose… fantastic animal. I keep the lights low bc I used to stream late and I didn’t want the house lit up with my fiancé trying to sleep.
You keep bringing me into it but I considered it dead… you tried to bandwagons a third party into it and even he was like “Naw brother not backing you” and somehow this bothers you idk why.
Even in this whole odd back and forth with me… and you and snozy you go with out of game personal attacks… and its just odd. I don’t see how you can on one hand talk about elitism and thinking I think I am so important in game etc etc but ive never attacked you as a person once… I merely questioned your pixel. The most “Insult” you will get from me at this point is “You are a sad, strange little man and you have my pity.”-Buzz Lightyear
You’re right it is irrelevant because of the sheer fact that people were a lot worse back then.
You havent done anything relevant since.
If you werent boosted you wouldnt need to defend it so badly rofl.
I dont hide that I recently just leveled my lock to be my new main in Shadowlands because of the terrible state rogue was in. I dont consider people who buy carries pvpers
All you have to do is go look at my progress toward Bloodthirsty as its account bound.
Theres nothing to settle. You are a mediocre player that bought a 2400 boost and think you have credibility in giving arena advice.
Do you have a link to your stream?
Its fine here allow me to end all of this…
Viable means it can be done… it has the tools…
Adj
capable of working successfully; feasible.
Or even Biology
(of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or living successfully, especially under particular environmental conditions
Its viable it is capable of working successfully its feasible… but not optimal
Optimal
Adj
best or most favorable; optimum
Reasonable
Adj
as much as is appropriate or fair; moderate.
You adding your special twist to it… means absolutely nothing because something being “Fair” is largely based on a persons perspective. It just seems like you are Conceding the Viability point but trying to leave a open end because you don’t want to concede the whole discussion (Even tho its irrelevant)
I again have absolutely nothing against you as a person… I just didn’t want you comparing us in this discussion because no “Reasonable” person would do that.
I wish you the best moving forward.
Twitch.tv/epicburn I have not streamed in forever tho bro… I might start it up again but Ive been super lazy this season.
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My transaction history shows I made a race/name change on Jan/30/2021, on Feb/02/2021, on Feb/06/2021, on Feb/08/2021, on Feb/22/2021, on Feb/25/2021, and on Feb/28/2021. I can only race/name change ever so many days and so I race/name changed when I could from January 3rd to February 28th. The numbers are listed in my transaction history but seem odd so maybe they wrote when they collected the money or something, but I changed race/name from January 3rd to February 28th. So me race/name changing roughly around the time I hit HWL is a coincidence as I had been changing races for as while. If you’re wondering why, I checked the different racials and looked at the races in Warlock tier gear and my transmogs. Each change I gave a unique look and name to create a image. Hellhag was great for an Undead female, Ishmaster “to some extent master” is a good name for a Orc male.
When it comes to the insults, yeah I fight fire with fire, and all is fair in love and war. I would rather not argue however and actually talk about Demonology or nothing. You pity me eh? The word “pity” comes from Middle English and means in a sense “clemency” from the Old French word “pite” meaning “compassion”. If you have compassion for me and want to show clemency then I welcome it.
Snozy - I guess you are a never ending walking argument. How bad does your life have to be to literally sit here as a zero rated player and talk crap to a current 2400 player about literally nothing at all but personal attacks that have no point or ending. Arguing with people for over 14+ hours on online forums with no point in sight. Meanwhile, the only reason I originally posted on this topic was to say that Demonology may be viable, but it’s not reasonable. But because I make a joke to another 2400+ player that I have more honorable kills than him, that somehow triggered you. You didn’t even get it as a joke, then tried to double down on it and pretend I only said it was a joke because you called me out, LOL! What a joke to spend this long arguing over a joke, you forgetting you were arguing over the joke, then you starting to just personally attack me for going on 2 days now.
“Theres nothing to settle. You are a mediocre player that bought a 2400 boost and think you have credibility in giving arena advice.”
I guess you think if you keep something you can make it become real. Let’s make this super simple. In arena I have 1606 in 2s and 1565 in 3s currently. In arena you have 0 in 2s and 0 in 3s currently. So when giving arena advice, I can give “some” because I have arena rating and you can give “none” because you have no arena rating.
Epicburn again - “It just seems like you are Conceding the Viability point but trying to leave a open end because you don’t want to concede the whole discussion”
My comment wasn’t trying to trump you or win a discussion or whatever other ulterior motive like that. I saw you post which was the first other high rated Demo Lock I had seen post. I saw your warm welcome and was excited. You posted that Demo was viable but my problem was anything is viable. On the leader boards 20 pages there are only x2 Demo Locks so I felt Demo Locks need more love. “Can we make Demo viable for arena please” seems like the type of title Blizzard may look at for player opinions. I feared a blue would see your opinion and take it as Demo being perfectly viable meaning no more changes. I felt compelled to add that it’s not reasonable because I don’t think it’s reasonable based off my experience. Little did I know adding that comment was going to bring possibly 2 days+ days of meaningless bickering.
“I just didn’t want you comparing us in this discussion”
I don’t care to compare my virtual achievements with anyone. The only reason my achievements came up was to try to tell another person my experience is not just LFG. How would I know it was going to turn into a @#$% measuring contest. Now when someone comes at me even in a sly manner I will defend myself because like all men I do have some ego. I have such confidence and happiness in who I am IRL though that I could care less about measuring myself to other people. I measure myself to previous versions of myself. If you felt I was measuring myself up to you then you must of bothered and activated me.
Tomorrow is a new day though and I wish you the best moving forward as well.
With blazing boost I assume… lol sorry too easy last one have a good one.
If you ever need demo advice I got you tho.
LOL nice one. I just googled “blazing boost” and went to their site to see what you are referring too. It looks like they only boost to 2100, but they charge almost $250 to boost only 2000-2100?! Who would pay for that… and I feel another joke coming on from you. 
Cool, I’m a Destruction Warlock and have only been Demonology for a few months now. I may stop by your twitch if new content pops up.
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That awkward moment when my rogue is higher rated than you 
And no when buying a boost to get to a rating you didn’t earn then no your opinion is invalid.
Also thinking that RBG rating gives you arena credibility is hilariously ignorant.
Keep writing paragraphs and being the laughing stock of the warlock forums.
You may want to look up the Dunning–Kruger effect, because you suffer from it. YOU are the laughing stock of the forums it seems. We can click and view all of your posts. You argue and add nothing to discussions. That’s not the bad part though. You make up lies, assert false claims, and stand behind it all like somehow you are correct. Anyone can read our back and forth and tell who is in the higher position, me. I think you continue to talk to me because you like rubbing shoulders with people above you. As a zero rated player you seem to really want to talk to higher rated players.
“That awkward moment when my rogue is higher rated than you”
Lulz, show me the money. Right now all I see is a zero rated PvE player with a 213ilev, honor level of 98, with 5,180 honorable kills. You rag on my S1 Glad for no apparent reason but then try to hang behind previous honorable kills not shown on your profile? Yup that is logical.
“Also thinking that RBG rating gives you arena credibility is hilariously ignorant.”
Again this shows I am talking to a bring wall that seems to get off on arguing. I replied to you that I’m not using my RBG rating to give my arena opinion. I said my 1606 in 2s and 1565 in 3s allow me to give an arena opinion, unlike you and your ZERO, nothing, 0, not even started, not a single match, rating.
“Keep writing paragraphs and being the laughing stock of the warlock forums.”
As mentioned, I at-least follow the topic and write logically. You do not follow the topic, forget why your mad, argue even though you forgot why you’re arguing, and follow no logic at all. I have to double read your comments just to be sure I actually read it correctly. You are the joke, you just don’t realize it.
I will keep writing paragraphs or whatever I see fit because I have all the energy in the world and I am happy typing. I do not mind putting in work, unlike you who won’t even put in the work of scrolling up to read why your after me in the first place.
Hey Snozy, I have more honorable kills than you 
PS: When you argue incoherently for days and people simply give up on you because they realize your a lost cause. You didn’t win the arguments, you just took to long to give a legitimate point and they found you unentertaining and abandoned you. I can see you try to exhaust people with pokes and inaccurate statements in hopes of a victory, but it’s not a victory, it was you being deemed unworthy of further talk and abandoned.
I already told you how to look up my HKs by viewing my progress towards bloodthirsty.
The difference between you and i is that I’m not the one claiming to be a great player. I don’t deny I’m a washed up Cata player.
You should seek mental help. You’re obviously living in a fantasy land where you think buying a 2400 carry in RBGs makes you equal to a multi glad.
Seriously seek some help.
You’re also very confused. We haven’t been arguing. You made some stupid statements and I called you out on them. You can’t argue facts.