04/29/2018 11:47 AMPosted by
Starman
Come on guys, don't fight with the trolls.
People that have a different opinion are not trolls.
While it may be true that those who have different opinions are not necessarily trolls, those who base their opinions and their posts on what they think will be least likely to be accepted by those that desire a truer classic experience are trolls, IMO.
There are at least two posters in these forums that seem to advocate and "side with" anything they think will be ill received by, and will likely annoy, members of the "no change" faction and those who are desiring a truer classic experience with nothing that was not part of vanilla added to classic.
At least one of those trolls was a staunch member of the "wall of no", firmly against classic servers even being produced.
It's obvious that Blizzard will not add that, so why bother post about it?
Because it's a forum. If you don't like it, don't come here.
Why would you want transmog..
Did you even play back then? Because anyone who played in Vanilla/TBC knows how impacting it was to see the few people in Tier2/3 pieces..
Yes. Youll look garbage when your character IS garbage. Thats how it worked back then. When you went back to SW or IF or Org and saw all the raiders with their Tier2/3 pieces glowing and looking like nothing youve seen before it was great. It made you want to be that.
As much as I love Transmog I loved the authenticity of gear. I loved being able to quickly tell " Yes, that warrior has ashkandi, he's probably going to hurt alot. " It spoke for you without you ever having to say a word.
Do you know whats one of the most unrewarding feelings in WoW? When an enemy puts so much work into their transmog to look 'epic' but you can completely decimate them in PVP when they backpedal and keyboard turn around you.
Why would you want transmog..
Did you even play back then? Because anyone who played in Vanilla/TBC knows how impacting it was to see the few people in Tier2/3 pieces..
Yes. Youll look garbage when your character IS garbage. Thats how it worked back then. When you went back to SW or IF or Org and saw all the raiders with their Tier2/3 pieces glowing and looking like nothing youve seen before it was great. It made you want to be that.
As much as I love Transmog I loved the authenticity of gear. I loved being able to quickly tell " Yes, that warrior has ashkandi, he's probably going to hurt alot. " It spoke for you without you ever having to say a word.
Do you know whats one of the most unrewarding feelings in WoW? When an enemy puts so much work into their transmog to look 'epic' but you can completely decimate them in PVP when they backpedal and keyboard turn around you.
What does back pedaling and key board turning have to do with tmog? That's a player that doesn't know it's inefficient. Has nothing to do with how he looks.
Maybe he's RPing a geared warrior that sux at combat. Lol
Why would you want transmog..
Did you even play back then? Because anyone who played in Vanilla/TBC knows how impacting it was to see the few people in Tier2/3 pieces..
Yes. Youll look garbage when your character IS garbage. Thats how it worked back then. When you went back to SW or IF or Org and saw all the raiders with their Tier2/3 pieces glowing and looking like nothing youve seen before it was great. It made you want to be that.
As much as I love Transmog I loved the authenticity of gear. I loved being able to quickly tell " Yes, that warrior has ashkandi, he's probably going to hurt alot. " It spoke for you without you ever having to say a word.
Do you know whats one of the most unrewarding feelings in WoW? When an enemy puts so much work into their transmog to look 'epic' but you can completely decimate them in PVP when they backpedal and keyboard turn around you.
Right. And then you play a druid with those stupid T2 antlers on your head and say "man, wouldn't it be cool if I could just wear my T0 and not look like an idiot?"
This probly a troll.
No. Not because no changes but it effects vanilla core system. As items not worth much will surge or ppl cannot see what/who you are in the game. You would not want ppl to effect the way you play the game.
Vanilla has more than anyway to play other than raid/dungeons.
If so, go to retail. Only a few aspects of retail is untouched. As in touched catch-up/free epics/free titles/ free gold/free lvl/ raids/dungeons/ talent builds/classes much more. Only thing that is untouched is pet battle, rep(to extent), and maybe farmin. Retail makes anything u do pretty worthless. Oh look you did mythic wait a month. You did whatever AP wait a few months(catch-up speed). You lvl to 110 haha(pay or play 4 hours). You class can aoe(every class can)?
You have epics? So does everyone else.
Do you raid? (Everyone does). What makes you different? Ummm nothing.
04/29/2018 03:17 PMPosted by
Starman
Why would you want transmog..
Did you even play back then? Because anyone who played in Vanilla/TBC knows how impacting it was to see the few people in Tier2/3 pieces..
Yes. Youll look garbage when your character IS garbage. Thats how it worked back then. When you went back to SW or IF or Org and saw all the raiders with their Tier2/3 pieces glowing and looking like nothing youve seen before it was great. It made you want to be that.
As much as I love Transmog I loved the authenticity of gear. I loved being able to quickly tell " Yes, that warrior has ashkandi, he's probably going to hurt alot. " It spoke for you without you ever having to say a word.
Do you know whats one of the most unrewarding feelings in WoW? When an enemy puts so much work into their transmog to look 'epic' but you can completely decimate them in PVP when they backpedal and keyboard turn around you.
Right. And then you play a druid with those stupid T2 antlers on your head and say "man, wouldn't it be cool if I could just wear my T0 and not look like an idiot?"
You could if you wanted to, of course there were drawbacks...
Or you could do what most did and check the "hide helm" spot.
Or you could do what most did and check the "hide helm" spot.
So it's ok to hide your helm, essentially changing its appearance...
...but people are against changing the appearance of other gear.
Got it.
04/29/2018 04:33 PMPosted by
Starman
So it's ok to hide your helm, essentially changing its appearance...
...but people are against changing the appearance of other gear.
Got it.
Let's see . . . . which one was native to Vanilla? There's your answer.
No changes.
04/29/2018 04:33 PMPosted by
Starman
So it's ok to hide your helm, essentially changing its appearance...
...but people are against changing the appearance of other gear.
Got it.
Let's see . . . . which one was native to Vanilla? There's your answer.
No changes.
Let's see....which company asked for non-vanilla changes?
Blizzard.
It's probably the best change ever put into the game and is one of the only things that wouldn't change how the community interacts with one another, the way a built in quest helper, or LFG system might. Simply adds a little fun and flavor to your character.
I love T-Mog (played 2 years without it and the addition of it kept me in this game) but it is a new feature that was added in Cata and that being said you are going to have to go get the look b4 you mog it and the look you are going to get will most likely be the best gear in game (it is) so there is no need for T-Mog in classic (limited amount of gear) The old guys want there "FEELS" back my dude Status is a part of the community those fogeys miss because RL is S H I T for old people.
p.s Im an old people
For the purpose of RP, its a must. Without it you're severely limited to what zones you can RP in.
Prices will inflate: Yes some BoE items will inflate in price but these items are already inflated on RP servers so there won't be a change there. The only effected servers are non-rp, even then some BoE items on non-rp servers are already inflated without t-mog being a thing.
Ppl will ninja loot more: Here I thought no changes ppl liked that, "Made the game feel more alive"
Limited bag space: Biggest difference between retail and classic, since your limited to the number of bag spaces it would make ppl more selective with t-mog items they want to keep.
If you've earned a piece of gear there's no reason not to allow your character to emulate it.
The one horrible thing about no transmog was the overall "clown" look of characters.
I also remember having the Prophesy set on my priestess, then actually feeling kind of bad when I got some Trans pieces. Then you had some of both, feeling kind of goofy.
There are a lot of reasons why the AH will be pretty lame in Classic, if everything is done like it really was in Classic. Those were horrible times for the AH, or trying to make any gold (not that there was much to spend it on, beyond 1000 gold "epic" mounts.)
04/29/2018 07:27 AMPosted by
Teza
<span class="truncated">...</span>how do u think it should be done RPG-like then? The current way it's being done on live is not immersive and stail.
Put every single skin on a vendor. You buy the look. It becomes a gold sink. No running dungeons for looks. No over priced greens on the AH.
It's a simple gold sink just to buy the skins.
At the transmogrifier you pay an additional fee to apply the skin. Now it's a double gold sink.
This takes gold out of the economy as well as promotes more competitive RP pvp instead of being facerolled because you're wearing gear for looks that is 30 levels out of date and someone in a clown suit is pwning.
On regular PvP servers this would also promote more PVP to a degree. As seeing a t3 geared player might make you run instead of trying your skill against a better geared player.
With tmog in place you won't see that.
So you attack if you want PvP or run if you're a coward. /shrug
I don't see how just putting all the gear looks on a vendor makes aquiring Tmog more Immersive, it's still really boring and sounds more like a QoL feature.
Did u even read my post?
04/29/2018 04:48 PMPosted by
Starman
...
Let's see . . . . which one was native to Vanilla? There's your answer.
No changes.
Let's see....which company asked for non-vanilla changes?
Blizzard.
Do you think there'll be a line to walk for the team, then? Somewhere between creating that authentic experience that people have asked for, while also figuring out what doesn't make sense anymore? For example, with the Intellect buff, is it important to you that players do need to drink after casting it?
J. Allen Brack: Yes. That's part of the level 60 experience. Our goal is to recreate that classic 1-60 gameplay. Some things changed as time went on, with different patches. How does that get manifested? That's one of the outstanding questions. But yeah, the goal is to recreate that exact experience, for better or for worse.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-04-wow-classic-blizzard-answers-some-of-the-big-questions
You are very welcome.
They never asked for non vanilla change.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/world-of-warcraft-classic-interview/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2018/01/30/classic-servers-cats-and-cute-things-the-world-of-warcraft-interview/
Read it through, and quote me a single passage, with the context, whether they ask the community on non vanilla changes?
With the context please
04/29/2018 04:48 PMPosted by
Starman
...
Let's see....which company asked for non-vanilla changes?
Blizzard.
Do you think there'll be a line to walk for the team, then? Somewhere between creating that authentic experience that people have asked for, while also figuring out what doesn't make sense anymore? For example, with the Intellect buff, is it important to you that players do need to drink after casting it?
J. Allen Brack: Yes. That's part of the level 60 experience. Our goal is to recreate that classic 1-60 gameplay. Some things changed as time went on, with different patches. How does that get manifested? That's one of the outstanding questions. But yeah, the goal is to recreate that exact experience, for better or for worse.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-04-wow-classic-blizzard-answers-some-of-the-big-questions
You are very welcome.
They never asked for non vanilla change.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/world-of-warcraft-classic-interview/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hnewman/2018/01/30/classic-servers-cats-and-cute-things-the-world-of-warcraft-interview/
Read it through, and quote me a single passage, with the context, whether they ask the community on non vanilla changes? With the context please
It's very obvious that they did.
Wow dude, that some next level argumentation! But I get it is difficult to answer when you have actually no answer to provide and no proof to back up your claim.
But let me do the research for you because you seem unable to do it
So, content-wise, it will be the same?
Brack: Content-wise it will be identical. Now, “identical” has a lot of nuance, [though], because WoW changed a lot in the two years between launch and Burning Crusade. One of the reasons we are talking about this as early as we are is to get the community’s opinions on which way we should go for certain things.
A good example is U.B.E.R.S. — Upper Blackrock Spire is a dungeon that had a 10-person version and a 5-person version. At some point in development, we dropped the 10-person version. Was that the right decision? Do they want a 10-person version? Do they want a 5-person version? Those are the types of things [we’re figuring out].
Yep, they are asking for the community input. On what is the best between launch and pre burning crusade.
Wow dude, that some next level argumentation! But I get it is difficult to answer when you have actually no answer to provide and no proof to back up your claim.
I've been talking about these quotes for six months. I don't need some forum newbie to tell me about this stuff lol.
04/30/2018 08:05 AMPosted by
Starman
Wow dude, that some next level argumentation! But I get it is difficult to answer when you have actually no answer to provide and no proof to back up your claim.
I've been talking about these quotes for six months. I don't need some forum newbie to tell me about this stuff lol.
How come you have been talking about these quotes for 6 months and you still saying "Blizzard will add some stuff that was not in Vanilla"?
And nice try diverting the topic and not answering any of the question.
04/30/2018 05:43 AMPosted by
Teys
For the purpose of RP, its a must. Without it you're severely limited to what zones you can RP in.
Prices will inflate: Yes some BoE items will inflate in price but these items are already inflated on RP servers so there won't be a change there. The only effected servers are non-rp, even then some BoE items on non-rp servers are already inflated without t-mog being a thing.
Ppl will ninja loot more: Here I thought no changes ppl liked that, "Made the game feel more alive"
Limited bag space: Biggest difference between retail and classic, since your limited to the number of bag spaces it would make ppl more selective with t-mog items they want to keep.
If you've earned a piece of gear there's no reason not to allow your character to emulate it.
Wait that last paragraph is actually a great idea for a classic T-MoG.
It would not actually effect the game much if ppl are require to hold said item in thier bags for said T-MoG and I would say usesable item as well.
If blizz does it. It would make ppl roll need on gear they do not need.